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      04-13-2014, 05:00 PM   #23
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I have had BMW leather for 6 years with no sag. You take care of it, it continues to look good.
For the record, I don't have a BMW (yet), and you're right-- a lot of the wear depends on the owner. But I have already seen (and started a different thread about) a lot of brand new 2 Series being delivered with a little too much loose rippling in the leather for comfort. If it's delivered like that, there's likely only so much that good maintenance can do to prevent worsening over time.

Either way, I'd love to at least have an alcantara option.
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I would have gotten this for sure !

Maybe in the M2.
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      04-13-2014, 05:41 PM   #25
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Still love my dakota leather but I'd definitely rock that, too.
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Either way, I'd love to at least have an alcantara option.
That's the point of this whole thread...why won't they give us that option?

The maddening thing is BMW brags about how advanced their just-in-time manufacturing. All we would be asking is to offer the USA this basic interior....period.

If you guys like or want this option, keep adding to the thread and ask for it. BMW told me that they consider stuff only if people ask for it!

Who knows....maybe M2 or mid-year M235i might have it.

Thanks.
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      04-14-2014, 11:22 AM   #28
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I wanted leather so much, but my SA insist on the hexagon alcantara, he show me a f 30 gt with it and i order it, now i couldn't be happier, it looks pretty good and they are very comfty, and i really don't miss leather that much, although i've seen pics of red leather and looks so good.
Besides i save almost 2 K on getting the hexagon against leather.
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I wanted leather so much, but my SA insist on the hexagon alcantara, he show me a f 30 gt with it and i order it, now i couldn't be happier, it looks pretty good and they are very comfty, and i really don't miss leather that much, although i've seen pics of red leather and looks so good.
Besides i save almost 2 K on getting the hexagon against leather.
Beautiful, congratulations! Plus they hold you in place better when the ground is shaking! : )

Kidding aside, hope everyone down there is OK!
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      04-14-2014, 01:34 PM   #30
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I wanted leather so much, but my SA insist on the hexagon alcantara, he show me a f 30 gt with it and i order it, now i couldn't be happier, it looks pretty good and they are very comfty, and i really don't miss leather that much, although i've seen pics of red leather and looks so good.
Besides i save almost 2 K on getting the hexagon against leather.
Beautiful, congratulations! Plus they hold you in place better when the ground is shaking! : )

Kidding aside, hope everyone down there is OK!
Lol, the other day i thought i had a flat tyre and it was the ground that was shaking, no joke
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I would seriously consider that over leather even if it was an option within the premium package that includes leather. I am tired of the same old stuff.
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Perhaps appropriate to ask here...how hot is the Dakota Black Leather for a car in the southern states of U.S.? I'm thinking Melbourne Red and black seems to be the logical choice but I am afraid it will be too hot.
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Perhaps appropriate to ask here...how hot is the Dakota Black Leather for a car in the southern states of U.S.? I'm thinking Melbourne Red and black seems to be the logical choice but I am afraid it will be too hot.
Thousands have black leather in SoCal and do OK, but I didn't like it. Always sweating. Everytime I got to work my shirt was wet even on normal days. I got used to it and it's fine BUT now that I have Alcantara/cloth in my ZHP, I like it much more. They don't get cold in the morning and don't get hot. My daughter burned her leg a bit on hot days with leather too but shes 8 now and smarted up. Lighter colors are a little better but also don't look as good as black.

With all this said, I'm trying to keep the thread focused on BMW giving US the option to get this really cool interior. I'm worried it will break down into a leather vs cloth debate. For me, I like this better in California but I just think it also looks better, is better for spirited driving since you slip less in the seat and it bums me out that BMW USA won't give the US a choice.

Someone also said that the take rates are low for this. Possibly but we don't know because they don't offer it. Secondly, most US cars are ordered by dealers and they order leather because they make more money off it and previous Alcantara interiors were not as cool as this with the blue thread, etc. As much as I like the ZHP interior, this one is visually stunning. I think the USA deserves the choice!
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      04-14-2014, 03:06 PM   #34
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I have had BMW leather for 6 years with no sag. You take care of it, it continues to look good.
+1, I'd take real (or even synthetic) leather anyday over cloth - it's precisely the aging crickliness of real leather that makes it look good - but agree cloth s/b an option for all who want it.
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I would prefer Alcantara rather than leather or sensatec simply because of heat. Those who live in the south in US ought to understand how hot a black on black car will get. It's not very professional to get out of a car in dress and be profoundly sweaty.
A 5 hour drive a couple of weeks ago to atlanta was extremely uncomfortable, merely because the back side of my body was insulated in a blanket of leatherette in my 135, even though the AC was on full and the inside temps were close to actually reaching 62.

The best compromise would be perforated leather or leatherette with active air circulation - I'd be all over that. Actively cooled seats are amazing. The CLS 63 AMG's have actual air conditioning feeds in them and it's glorious. I get the impression that BMW's key decision makers need to spend some more time in hot climates themselves to better appreciate their inhabitants' needs more, rather than focus on market research.
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I would prefer Alcantara rather than leather or sensatec simply because of heat. Those who live in the south in US ought to understand how hot a black on black car will get. It's not very professional to get out of a car in dress and be profoundly sweaty.
Very good point regarding heat. The opposite holds true for drivers in the northern US… It's April 15th… and it was 14 degrees F when I left home this morning. We received nearly 3 inches of fresh snow yesterday! Cold is a fact of life for 5-6 months for many of us…

Leather or leatherette can be downright uncomfortable in subzero temps! Alcantara, on the other hand, is a LOT more comfortable when cold.

Plus, the photos shown earlier in this thread show a sporty interior that looks fantastic!

My main misgiving about the 2 series has been the interior options… I'm not generally "flashy", but I'm seriously considering the CR leather simply because I don't want the "all black cave" or nearly white carpets & plastics with the Oyster option. (Oyster leather with black carpets and plastics might be a great combination, but it's not an option, as I understand the M235i config).

When I test drove cars a couple of weeks ago, the one thing the Audi TTS had on the M235i was a sharper-looking interior. (Massive turbo lag, a crashy suspension, and a bunch of understeer, too… )

Anyway, the Alcantara option shown earlier in this thread solves these issues and it's sharp looking! If anyone from BMW NA is reading, I think the Alcantara would be a hit for LOTs of reasons in hot and cold climates!
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Very good point regarding heat. The opposite holds true for drivers in the northern US… It's April 15th… and it was 14 degrees F when I left home this morning. We received nearly 3 inches of fresh snow yesterday! Cold is a fact of life for 5-6 months for many of us…

Leather or leatherette can be downright uncomfortable in subzero temps! Alcantara, on the other hand, is a LOT more comfortable when cold.

Plus, the photos shown earlier in this thread show a sporty interior that looks fantastic!

Anyway, the Alcantara option shown earlier in this thread solves these issues and it's sharp looking! If anyone from BMW NA is reading, I think the Alcantara would be a hit for LOTs of reasons in hot and cold climates!
The interesting thing (IMO) is that cloth is more forgiving in both heat and cold - there is never that initial "bite" of scalding or freezing materials when you sit down. I had seats similar to this in one of my Jettas, and I seriously loved it. Now, it picked up absolutely everything (pet hair, lint, etc), but it was so nice to sit in and not sweat/freeze.

Hopefully we get the option at some point...

PS - it was 24 on my way into work this morning and we had about an inch of snow here in Northern Indiana...
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Did you drive the new M235 in the fresh snow?
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Did you drive the new M235 in the fresh snow?
Damn straight - albeit with white knuckles.

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I'm not sure if I'd get it, but I'd seriously entertain the option. BMW's leather is SO damn saggy! Hate to say it, but it's one of the reasons I'm considering leasing over buying. Nothing serves as a better reminder that you're driving a used car (i.e., a reminder of depreciation) than a driver's seat that's begging for Botox after 10k miles.
Werd. BMW has one of the worst leather in the luxury automotive industry.

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Cloth has the "cheap material" stigma. It's haunted by it and I can actually understand why...most cars with cloth seats reek of cheapness.

Just turns out the cloth BMW provides is beautiful.

But in all honesty - the average BMW customer isn't on bimmerpost. The 45 year old mother of two doesn't want cloth when she's buying a BMW. She'll take the fake leather any day...
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Cloth has the "cheap material" stigma. It's haunted by it and I can actually understand why...most cars with cloth seats reek of cheapness.

Just turns out the cloth BMW provides is beautiful.

But in all honesty - the average BMW customer isn't on bimmerpost. The 45 year old mother of two doesn't want cloth when she's buying a BMW. She'll take the fake leather any day...
Yes, that is exactly why I started this thread so that we can let BMW know that there are some that want the choice. Also, this interior is half alcantara and alcantara is not cheap. Audi, Porsche, Ferrari use alcantara in their track-type cars. I believe that if people sat in the Alcantara interior, then in the Vinyl, many will prefer the Alcantara cloth. So as I said earlier, the point of this thread is to let BMW know that we want the option offered. Thanks.
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My guess is that the average buyer of the M235i is not the same demographic as the average BMW buyer… which is certainly by design! This car has totally changed my opinion of "affordable" BMW's. Maybe that's because I was unfairly biased… but the fact is that this car got me in the door of a BMW dealership for the first time.

I think the point of the M235i is to get some additional people interested in the brand… through the release of a seriously fun yet daily-drivable machine. All things considered it's a bullseye, I think.

Yes, there are a few details that I would have preferred to be different… LSD is one. However, considering how much fun the car is to drive even with the open diff, I have to concede that the decision to hold the line on price instead of including the LSD might actually be the right move for the brand. (Yeah, blasphemy, I know).

Anyway, to support others above, the alcantara interior seems to be in line with the goals of the car, especially if it's the "standard" option. For me, the vinyl seats are a problem because of the cold climate I live in. With vinyl, I'd want seat heaters and that's not an available option… which pushes me into the premium package & heated seats. Personally, I'd prefer to have an attractive alcantara option without heated seats. That gets me to my savings target and therefore purchase day sooner. Offer this, PLEASE!
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. With vinyl, I'd want seat heaters and that's not an available option… which pushes me into the premium package & heated seats.
not true. heated seated are available separately ($500) or the in cold weather pkg ($550).
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