[horsepower_and_hounds]

Originally Posted by wjones14

You're dreaming.

Randy Pobst drove an M4 at Willow Springs and did a 1:23.73 lap. In the 1LE, he beat that time by over a full second, 1:22.70. The 1LE is a track monster. You'd have to modify an M4 to have a chance. Forget about an M235i. Not happening.

PS - Randy drove a stock M235i at Willow Springs as well. The lap was 1:26.37. The M235i and 1LE are leagues apart.

It is hard to believe that the US is making better performing and faster track cars than the Germ's and a cheaper price....... But i do find it kind of ugly

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by ehagerty

It is hard to believe that the US is making better performing and faster track cars than the Germ's and a cheaper price....... But i do find it kind of ugly

Yep, it's true. While we're talking U.S. performance cars, it's probably best to stay away from the 2015 Mustang GT as well. 435 HP V-8, LSD standard, and 1/4 mile at better than 112 mph. For $32K if you buy the stripper GT. Add the Performance Pack for $2K and you get 6-piston Brembos, a Torsen 3.73 limited slip, tightened suspension, bigger radiator - in other words, track-ready. It doesn't quite match the 1LE, but beats most anything else under $50K.

[mmmmm235i]

Yea, with your mods he would have you pretty easily. Our cars are incredibly fast, but that 1LE was a beast and sounds like one too. Don't get me wrong I don't think it looks near as good or wud feels as grounded at the speeds these cars are capable of, but regardless his car is faster. I have similar mods to you with an intake (exhaust in the works), and the car is plenty fast. Even though I hate when people say that, the Camaro is not even on my radar in terms of a car I would want to own so this guy could talk all he wanted. Also I wouldn't want to increase the boost/ mod so heavily on my car as to effect reliability/driveability to beat some clown at work. As someone else said if he supercharges that car its just over. Enjoy your car, it can hang with some pretty amazing cars. His car is more fun at the track with that kind of power, our cars are more fun on the streets everyday.

[horsepower_and_hounds]

yea I am not planning on going head to head with Goliath. But it did make me internet search on some of the new American muscle, their capability and pricing and was amazed at what I found.
Bottom line is my M235 is sleek, classy, very well designed & put together. It also continues to be a constant choice of the top auto experts on their 2-3 cars. I love it and would never have the Camaro in my garage

[Luke Warmwater]

I owned a 2013 Camaro 2SS with a six speed manual transmission. I traded it in for the M235i. I really wanted to like the Camaro, but it was a beast and had very poor outward visibility due to the styling. I only owned it for 10 months. It would be a very close race in a straight line with the M235i. Both have launch control. I think the stock M235i would be quicker than a stock SS through the curves though as it handles much better. I have never driven a 1LE but from what I have seen/read, I think it would walk away from the M235i.

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by wjones14

You're dreaming.

Randy Pobst drove an M4 at Willow Springs and did a 1:23.73 lap. In the 1LE, he beat that time by over a full second, 1:22.70. The 1LE is a track monster. You'd have to modify an M4 to have a chance. Forget about an M235i. Not happening.

PS - Randy drove a stock M235i at Willow Springs as well. The lap was 1:26.37. The M235i and 1LE are leagues apart.

I believe M235i was driven on streets of willow, the other two were big willow so the gap is even bigger than that makes out.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

If the guy is an OK driver best not to mess with it.

Same track - VIR 4.1 miles - same test criteria

3:01.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS 1LE

3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10

3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3

3:07.2 BMW M235I

[NYHoustonman]

'The BMW might just match the Camaro in a straight line if modified, but the Camaro will destroy the BMW if any kind of cornering is involved.'

Anyone else find this strange? Absolutely true, mind you. American cars have come a long way.

[e46m3lol]

I've murdered a couple of Camaro SS at the local drag strip with my full bolt on 228i. I'm sure you would destroy him with your 235i.

[BD_F22]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

I've murdered a couple of Camaro SS at the local drag strip with my full bolt on 228i. I'm sure you would destroy him with your 235i.

Finally someone realistic and who understands the power of these cars especially modded

[3.0L]

Is the 1LE really better? The specs surely don't look better:

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...let_camaro_1le

[e46m3lol]

Originally Posted by BD_F22

Finally someone realistic and who understands the power of these cars especially modded

Our 2 series (228i in particular) have a lot of potential. I've taken out CTS-Vs, mustang 5.0, Camaros, C5 non Z06 vetts, E92 M3s, tuned subaru STI... on the local drag strip. The list goes on and on.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

I've murdered a couple of Camaro SS at the local drag strip with my full bolt on 228i. I'm sure you would destroy him with your 235i.

Two questions: Do you have the time slips & were they class elimination runs or just test & tune runs?

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

Is the 1LE really better? The specs surely don't look better:

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...let_camaro_1le

0-60 4.5s and 1/4 Mi of 12.9, unless those numbers are very conservative it certainly wouldn't walk an M235i?

But the other times etc people are posting seem to indicate otherwise. I have a hard time believing a camaro 1LE or otherwise can corner so well it makes it faster than a GT3 911. It must be faster than 12.9.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by augerpro

Both cars have a lot of low end torque and RWD, so I'd say this is a driver's race assuming neither of you head to the drag strip every Sunday. Practice your launch and give him a go.

EDIT: I find most clowns driving big V8 cars have no idea how to put the power down consistently. My little M235xi is a beast out of the hole - and the race is won or lost right there.

Because it's sooo hard to launch an AWD vehicle with plenty of torque. Any clown can dump a clutch and jam the go pedal.

I can't tell if you were trying to be ironic with that edit.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

I have a hard time believing a camaro 1LE or otherwise can corner so well it makes it faster than a GT3 911. It must be faster than 12.9.

Don't confuse 1/4 runs with lap times on a road course. You need braking, then the ability to carry the speed through the corners & get power down on exit.

1/4 mile takes into account the launch as a big factor. The 0-100 times start to show the additional 1LE power ramping up. Think the stock/stock moves to the Camaro by over .5 seconds & keeps spreading.

Example: Z-28

2:50.9 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28

Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 116

While its just 2/10 quicker in the 1/4 mile it runs the same track a full 10 seconds (an eternity in road racing) quicker than the 1LE. It finishes 1/10 of a second after the Ferrari F1 Berlinetta & 1 second behind the Ferrari 458

[e46m3lol]

[QUOTE=BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

I've murdered a couple of Camaro SS at the local drag strip with my full bolt on 228i. I'm sure you would destroy him with your 235i.

Two questions: Do you have the time slips & were they class elimination runs or just test & tune runs?

I don't have the time slips on me right now as I'm at work but on the 1/8 mile I get consistent 8.4-8.6 seconds.

Here is a pic of my friends time slip. He's got a 228i with just an intake and a jb4 stage 2 on map 2. He is 4028

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Hard to read but !3.8?/100 is not going to beat any of the cars listed. On the 1/8th mile you need to be around 8.0/90mph to get in the sub13/110mph range in the 1/4

[wjones14]

[QUOTE=e46m3lol;17450012]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

I don't have the time slips on me right now as I'm at work but on the 1/8 mile I get consistent 8.4-8.6 seconds.

Here is a pic of my friends time slip. He's got a 228i with just an intake and a jb4 stage 2 on map 2. He is 4028

13.48 @ 100 mph is impressive for a 228i, but no way is that close to a Camaro 1LE. It's not close to a 5.0 Mustang either.

The whole argument is crazy to me. Look at the list of mods you have to do to even catch the factory stock Camaro/Mustang... Like someone else pointed out, you can mod a farm tractor to beat a Ferrari - but what is the cost?

If you insist on talking only about mods, you can buy the 1LE for $40K. Add a supercharger for $6K, and your grand total is $46K. How on earth on are you going to beat that 600 hp car with an M235i or a 228i? How much would it cost to get the BMW to 600 hp?

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Killramos

I have a hard time believing a camaro 1LE or otherwise can corner so well it makes it faster than a GT3 911.

I'm not sure about the GT3 either, but here's your proof about how good a 1LE is on a race track. Take it from Randy Pobst. Skip to 11:30 to see him thrash the Camaro for all it's worth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJPDurLEKw

[Anderw]

[QUOTE=wjones14;17451171]

Originally Posted by e46m3lol

13.48 @ 100 mph is impressive for a 228i, but no way is that close to a Camaro 1LE. It's not close to a 5.0 Mustang either.

The whole argument is crazy to me. Look at the list of mods you have to do to even catch the factory stock Camaro/Mustang... Like someone else pointed out, you can mod a farm tractor to beat a Ferrari - but what is the cost?

If you insist on talking only about mods, you can buy the 1LE for $40K. Add a supercharger for $6K, and your grand total is $46K. How on earth on are you going to beat that 600 hp car with an M235i or a 228i? How much would it cost to get the BMW to 600 hp?

you asked how much it would cost to get a bmw to have 600hp? well n54 would be a bit cheaper and easier but n55 the list would be actually less then your leading on especially if you buy parts over bimmerpost

M235i $41k (literally what I paid)

JB4 stage 2 EWG FF wires $400
BMS intake $135
ER charge pipe $250
shiftteck DP $250
Wanger Innercooler $600
vargas stage 2 n55 hybrid turbo $3500
some e85

$46,135 give or take a few hundred

this setup would be around 500-525whp
so probably 600ish hp crank

even if its mid 500 crank there are soon many variables driver , gearing
weight also what kind of race it is , what tires the car is running , power delivery, literally goes on and on. a 450hp bmw can take on a higher powered car and still compete , as we see with the stock numbers in relation to straight line performance 100hp down and the drive train makes up for having less power

Ill take a turbo powered bmw over a 5.0 or SS , not a vette tho lol especially the c7 z06



coming from the n54 world 400-600hp e9x 335i bmws aren't that uncommon and you are more likely to run into them on the street then a supercharged ss

not an angry argumentative post just adding to the discussion

btw 228i one day will be a monster once people figure out how to run big big turbos and high boost some weight reduction 3100b car good recipe, only thing that might stop development will be that the m235i is available and tuners might spend more time on the n55 then the n20

[BD_F22]

[QUOTE=kwsw;17451476]

Originally Posted by wjones14

you asked how much it would cost to get a bmw to have 600hp? well n54 would be a bit cheaper and easier but n55 the list would be actually less then your leading on especially if you buy parts over bimmerpost

M235i $41k (literally what I paid)

JB4 stage 2 EWG FF wires $400
BMS intake $135
ER charge pipe $250
shiftteck DP $250
Wanger Innercooler $600
vargas stage 2 n55 hybrid turbo $3500
some e85

$46,135 give or take a few hundred

this setup would be around 500-525whp
so probably 600ish hp crank

even if its mid 500 crank there are soon many variables driver , gearing
weight also what kind of race it is , what tires the car is running , power delivery, literally goes on and on. a 450hp bmw can take on a higher powered car and still compete , as we see with the stock numbers in relation to straight line performance 100hp down and the drive train makes up for having less power

Ill take a turbo powered bmw over a 5.0 or SS , not a vette tho lol especially the c7 z06



coming from the n54 world 400-600hp e9x 335i bmws aren't that uncommon and you are more likely to run into them on the street then a supercharged ss

not an angry argumentative post just adding to the discussion

btw 228i one day will be a monster once people figure out how to run big big turbos and high boost some weight reduction 3100b car good recipe, only thing that might stop development will be that the m235i is available and tuners might spend more time on the n55 then the n20

Couldn't agree more with you! I just didn't have the time to explain it as thorough as you did.. Also if you wanted to save a little money Pure Turbo just releases their n55 stage 2 which is selling for $2,500 and it made 498whp on low boost. Those who have never owned a modded turbo BMW until now won't understand what we are trying to say here.