[Bimmer86]

I can definitely see the appeal of the m235i, but I was looking at and drove both and I simply preferred the 228i overall. The pros of the 228i for me was that it was lighter, nimbler, better MPG, and below invoice deal from the dealer. I obviously can't deny that the m235i is a rocket like a bat out of hell, but I mean I'm not even pushing my 228i to the limit. Maybe I just drive too slow compared to everyone else here lol. Nonetheless, I have no regrets with my 228i .

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Monoblock

Not that I care that much, but it's your phrasing that is...uh... "irritating":

"My point is the M235 is the best version of the 2 series. That's all."

But you didn't make any point. You stated an opinion, but you state it as if it were fact. Hence you got called out on it. If you're going to assert things in that style, expect people to respond in kind.

Agreed. You also say "M235 is better". Maybe for you but not necessarily for everyone.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by pazzo

Right here, and I don't own either one, but test drove them both back to back.
The heft is noticeable in the first sub-20mph corner you come to, unless you're driving like an old lady.

It weighs 205 lbs more. Thats one friend in the passenger seat.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

It weighs 205 lbs more. Thats one friend in the passenger seat.

Actually, that's one friend sitting on the hood. The beauty of mid-engine design is the handling benefit of the weight in the center of the vehicle. Adding 205 lbs. over the front wheels is a different matter.

[scrape1]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

It weighs 205 lbs more. Thats one friend in the passenger seat.

I prefer my ride along "friends" closer to 100 lbs

[335BOY]

http://driving.ca/bmw/2-series/revie...-m235i-or-228i

Interesting article.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

http://driving.ca/bmw/2-series/revie...-m235i-or-228i

Interesting article.

Indeed....seems it would have been unanimous had it been written after the Track Package became available.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Actually, that's one friend sitting on the hood. The beauty of mid-engine design is the handling benefit of the weight in the center of the vehicle. Adding 205 lbs. over the front wheels is a different matter.

Both are advertised as having 50/50 weight distribution. Pretty sure the engine is mount behind the front axle. I know what youre saying but the guy above said he noticed the "heft" in sub 20 mph corners? Pretty sure that would be steering feel he is noticing.

[shark715]

I don't doubt for a minute that the 228 (with track package) is the better handling car with the weight savings. But the 235 engine note is just so sweet, and the extra power will do nothing but bring a smile to your face as the gas mileage penalty is not severe.

Reminds me of my MB SLK55. The SLK350 is noticeably better handling because the '55 is so nose heavy...but oh man the acceleration...but then there was the gas guzzler tax :-)

[nachob]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Both are advertised as having 50/50 weight distribution. Pretty sure the engine is mount behind the front axle. I know what youre saying but the guy above said he noticed the "heft" in sub 20 mph corners? Pretty sure that would be steering feel he is noticing.

I felt it too. I have driven both side by side including twice side by side in auto cross type course and it's noticeable. Same thing with new mustang gt and 4 cyl mustang. The steering "feel" can change but it has a lot to do with weight. All cars are heavy these days but close to 3600 for 235 is nutty for a small 4 seater. It handles it's weight well but I don't like the feel. Also they are not 50-50 and you can see that they are slightly off and 228 closer depending on transmission and options.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Both are advertised as having 50/50 weight distribution.

Not according to BMW:

M235i


228i

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Not according to BMW:

M235i


228i

ah ha. I looked everywhere but there. Sorry. I havent driven 228 yet and i won't. The sound of a 4 cyl doesnt agree with me. The M235 sounded great. Some of that is probably fake through the speakers and thats fine with me.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

ah ha. I looked everywhere but there. Sorry. I havent driven 228 yet and i won't. The sound of a 4 cyl doesnt agree with me. The M235 sounded great. Some of that is probably fake through the speakers and thats fine with me.

Yes, it's great to have choices! I do not care about exhaust sound. I'm listening to Real Jazz on Sirius.

[pazzo]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Both are advertised as having 50/50 weight distribution. Pretty sure the engine is mount behind the front axle. I know what youre saying but the guy above said he noticed the "heft" in sub 20 mph corners? Pretty sure that would be steering feel he is noticing.

No it wasn't steering feel I felt, it was the added weight.
You think you're good at telling people what they experience, but people experiences are theirs and theirs alone. Learn from them, or don't Don't care.

Also if they are both Sports (which they were), then likely they have the same springs and spring rates,
shocks etc. Both were also riding on 18's but the M235 had the advantage of Michelin PPS which should also provide better feel in the corners.

If you have some pertinent information to provide, then please do. But don't base you posts on your perceptions of other people's input. It's rather juvenile.

[pazzo]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

ah ha. I looked everywhere but there. Sorry. I havent driven 228 yet and i won't. The sound of a 4 cyl doesnt agree with me. The M235 sounded great. Some of that is probably fake through the speakers and thats fine with me.

Wrong again huh? So you haven't driven either because the sound of the 4 doesn't agree with you.

Is that like passing gas?

So you were wrong on the specs because you didn't drive them, or you were too lazy to look them up. eh.

[mmmmm235i]

You mean that, in YOUR OPINION, the M235 is the best version of the 2 series.

There are other opinions:
http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-228i-is-...buy-1662847106[/QUOTE]


That's just it. It's subjective and dependent on your situation. In stock form, Msport 228i/M235...
If you'll be driving boulevard/straight line driving then yes the M235i is better in a straight line with better acceleration, better sound etc.
If you're driving spirited through the hills/mountains on tight twisty roads, 15mph corners and such, the 228i will work just as well, if not better.

Get the car that best suits your needs/requirements and be happy that there are mods to improve it further. [/QUOTE]


I don't know where anyone gets off saying that a 228 will out corner a 235. Please point me to some factual information I would love to see it. There is always this debate between trim lines whether it be 335/328 550/535 and so on. The fact of the matter is usually you are just getting an upgraded engine and maybe a litle styling tweaks (ie. dual exhaust). The 235 on the other hand, like the previous "is" models comes standard with everything you would want to get the best out of the car. So while all you 228 owners want to qualify the statements of 235 owners, you should be careful. The 235 is a superior car in every way over a standard 228 when speaking objectively. Better brakes, bigger/better engine (engine of the year), PPK package standard, etc. A 228 can be optioned in such a way to be very comprable, but unlike the 235 not all are optioned the same. At this platform I feel like it is much safer to make judgment about these cars than at higher platforms. For example the price difference, even similiarly optioned, are usually higher as the you go up the lineup. This means it is usually about the money at the top of the line. In the case of the 2, if you care even slightly to option a 228 with the adaptive m suspension, brakes, etc. you are coming very close to a 235. So if you are saying that you would look me in the eye and say for 3k more you prefer the 228, I just don't believe you. Except you VO guys who just needed that orange, that makes sense.

[mmmmm235i]

[QUOTE=bimmerfile;17285331]

Originally Posted by jwr0721

............................
My point is the M235 is the best version of the 2 series. That's all.

..............QUOTE]

You mean that, in YOUR OPINION, the M235 is the best version of the 2 series.

There are other opinions:
http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-228i-is-...buy-1662847106

Also that jalopnik review is a joke. Obviously not written by any type of enthusiast, "the car is best in comfort", I'm pretty sure no one on this forum would agree. The engine in the 235 "is too powerful for the car" this guy probably couldn't handle the power. Oh yea and the whopping 200lb difference based on the 4 cylinder is the most laughable part. So basically if you have a grown man in your car and I'm alone, the cars are equal, except wait the 100 extra hp and tq in the 235. 200lbs when we are talking 3300 v. 3500 is not a difference I think the average driver will feel. I've driven the 28 engines and they are great, but lets not be ridiculous.
My understanding is that all the 28 lovers think that the 200lb difference in engines despite the enormous difference in output makes the 28 a better car. Thats not how I value cars.

[pazzo]

Let's visit webster dictionary, shall we.

sub·jec·tive adjective \(ˌ)səb-ˈjek-tiv\
philosophy : relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind

That could be construed as to mean an opinion.
All things being what they are, a better car could mean a number of things to different people.

Kinda sad that needs to be explained. Like teaching middle schoolers.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by pazzo

Wrong again huh? So you haven't driven either because the sound of the 4 doesn't agree with you.

Is that like passing gas?

So you were wrong on the specs because you didn't drive them, or you were too lazy to look them up. eh.

Spent 30 mins driving m235 last Friday. If you google BMW 235 weight distribution you will see the first 3 say it's 50/50 so I didn't go any further. I'm truly sorry. I don't happen to like the sound of a 4 cyl. I never said one car was better than the other just found it interesting that under 20 mph you guys can feel 205 lbs. Didnt say you couldn't . That just surprised me . Same tires? Same steering?

[mmmmm235i]

Originally Posted by MikeT

Allow me to wade in on this...

I've recently done fairly exhaustive test-drives of both the 228i and the m235i.

I don't currently own either car, and I haven't ordered either one (yet).

In the large scheme of things, the two cars are fairly close. I doubt that overwhelming number of buyers will notice subtle differences in handling, suspension or weight distribution.

The one blindingly obvious difference that even the most unsophisticated driver will notice, however, is the engine. Do the m235i's two extra cylinders make a difference? Yes, they do. It's the difference between adequate (228i) or wow (m235i). Anyone who denies that difference is lacking in either (1) truthfulness; or (2) a pulse.

But, as they say, different strokes for difference folks. I can totally get why someone would opt for the 228i. It weighs less. Fuel economy is better. You're probably less likely to get speeding tickets. It costs less.

Let's face it, though. A loaded-up 228i off the dealer lot and a bare-bones ED m235i can be had for the roughly the same money, let's say $39K. If I were choosing between the two, I'd take the latter.

This is very well said. I understand the love for the 228 because I never liked a car more than my 235, but you hit it perfectly. If you don't think that the 4 banger is adequate adn teh I6 is amazing you are lying to yourself. 200lbs for 2 extra cylinders sign me up.

[pazzo]

So when you have restricted HP, what do race teams do to improve handling and speed? Reduce weight.

You believe a website that claim a 50/50 weight distro, over the BMW web site?
But when it comes to break-in you're all about not loading the engine?
Ok, just so I know where you're coming from.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by pazzo

So when you have restricted HP, what do race teams do to improve handling and speed? Reduce weight.

You believe a website that claim a 50/50 weight distro, over the BMW web site?
But when it comes to break-in you're all about not loading the engine?
Ok, just so I know where you're coming from.

You clearly have issues. Learn how to read and maybe calm down a little. Wow.