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To me good steering feedback is when I can feel the tyres through the wheel. I want to feel the grip of the tyres as I corner, the behaviour of the tyres and to feel the imperfections of the road underneath me.
The F25 X3 has none of this and I found it unstable at highway speeds as the steering was too light. http://www.prodrive.com/level4.html?id=232 Quote:
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"Steering feel" typically refers to the amount of (and quality of) communication between the steering system/wheel and the car, its tires, and the road it rides on. The term can be representative of the amount of effort/input needed to turn the car at varying speeds. It can also be used to discuss a steering system's weight (i.e., is it pleasantly heavy/firm or is it unpleasantly light/numb?). Observations that can fall under the wide "steering feel" umbrella: - Weight/Effort (does the steering feel light and effortless (borderline artificial) or does it feel heavier, more natural, and progressive as you increase/decrease a given steering input?) - Communication (can I feel what the car and its tires are doing through the steering wheel, do the sensations/vibrations I feel with steering wheel properly correspond with the particular road/track conditions?) That was quickly written but hopefully that gives you a general idea of what someone means when they talk about steering feel. For me, I look for the following attributes when evaluating steering feel: 1) Does the wheel accurately and thoroughly transmit to me (i.e., to my hands) what the tires are encountering on the road? 2) Is there a nice, consistent firm weight to the steering that lends itself to predictable, progressive, and easily controllable steering inputs?
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Other than a couple of the negative remarks he made regarding the steering and the excessive M badging, the article makes me feel better about my order. Those are quite stellar performance numbers, and he comments how driving position is excellent. I can't wait to test it out on the Autobahn in April!
For comparison, the 435i 6mt was just tested by C&D, and they only managed a 5.2 60 and 13.7 QM. I think this car is the performance bargain in the current BMW lineup. The M2 will blow everyone away. PS- I like this shot. Looks quite aggressive. |
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[QUOTE=golf4501;15437172]Let's play, "guess all the M badges game."
1 one the back - nice 2 on the sides - overkill? 4 on each rim - nice 2 door sills? - fine 1 shifter - even if auto? 1 dash - overkill 1 glove box? -? 1 steering wheel - a must 1 engine cover - a must and under the hood anyway brake calipers - nice dead pedal??? - ??? seems pretty good to me... If u want to spend $10K more for a 2M then go for it, but I like most mere mortals find much better value in the M235i. Furthermore, given that I am a professional race car driver who has tested every BMW car out there, I can safely say that the M235i will outperform any M car... OK I'm kidding of course - just seeing if you are all awake. Seriously, stop trashing the M235i and respect its position in the line-up. M cars are for rich people who have money to burn. Seriously, who cares whether the oil gauge needs to be displayed as long as I t can be cued up - no one looks at it ever unless u drive like a maniac. |
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IMHO, if BMW wants the positive from Mish badging, they should also be willing to take the negatives as well. So everyone should put on their big boy pants and realize that it's a pretty lame idea, just as lame as Audi and Caddy, where they think that people really can only understand one letter at a time. They certainly could have called it anywhere in the A-N range to denote these less than M cars (or even done a whacky lower case m "solution"), and chose to intentionally muddy the ranks for obvious reasons.
On the other hand, reviewers really need to get over the current BMW badging issues. They're being lazy and picking the low-hanging fruit. Once you get past his silly chest-thumping, it's a pretty good review, which is good. But I have to agree with the OP - the lack of temp gauges is annoying and I would have to say just plain wrong. It's almost as dumb-headed as Mercedes killing the dipsticks (which are now starting to reappear, thankfully). And having to pony up $389 to stick something in my vent is an answer to a question that shouldn't have to be posed. |
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How many frickin versions of Mustangs and Camaro's are there? Maybe 10 each and no one seems to bitch about GT, GT350, GT500, Boss 302 and on and on and on for both cars and where is the mass confusion? BMW adds an additional level and people are frickin dumbfounded.
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Are you really thinking it's a good idea to use GM and Ford for benchmarking?
It's really a level that's not a level, which is where I find the annoyance. At least Audi had the cojones to add "-line" to show how silly they were being. In the grand scheme of things, you're right - it's nothing. But BMW did this to themselves; I was more than happy to understand that a 3 series could have 2, 4, or 5 doors. The only thing left is to start using decimals or fractions in new model designations, and I only am mostly kidding about that, with the way that things are going. |
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The steering in the M135 which will be the same as the M235, is very direct and fast (2.0 turns lock to lock from memory from my test drive) but is devoid of all feel and connection with the road..........I hated it, and is one of the reasons I won't be replacing my 135i with a M235.
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I thought its a good honest review..have to agree with him on alot of stuff
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First review I see where they make an actual comparison with the E82 and it says exactly what I was hoping not to read:
"Sad to say, we all like the old car a smidge better. Let’s chat again once we get an M235i with a stick shift and a limited-slip. I’m betting I’m going to like it a lot more. Mike probably will, too. But for the moment, a damn fine, pretty car doesn’t beat an ugly little one that was transcendent." Enough said... The same was said in a comparison between a E90 328i and a F30, good car, just not as good as the one it replaces. I really want to read that the new one is better than the old one in order to have a better alternative when it will be time to replace it. I don't want to fork $5000 more for the new one (at comparable equipment) to get something that is not as exciting (and forget the stuff about the better interior, I am totally fine with the one of my car...
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I could only advise you to test drive back to back an "old" one and a new one on your favorite winding road and you will immediately understand
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I see nothing wrong with this review. All the others are honest opinions also but they dont really tell us the bad stuff as this is what alot of reviewers are afraid to do
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So how do you know the other reviewers are afraid? how do you know they are not honest? Just because a review does not agree with your opinion does not mean it is not honest. At least these people have driven the car ... so how do you know what is good or bad without even driving the car yet? Don't take it personal, just thought what you posted was funny .... |
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We dont have to drive the car to agree not having oil temp, alot of M badge, etc is dumb. And you totally miss my point as I was trying to say that this review point out some things others did not...maybe you misunderstood what i was trying to say or i miss typed
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Let's see what the LSD does. That is the only thing going for this car IMHO. |
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