[Shayan55]

watsup guys, so i have another quick question, other than the basic stuff like throttle response and stuff, are they any other big benefits? Like are there any power gains?

[SeanWRT]

Let's be realistic. Throttle response is merely for marketing material. Real benefit is it doesnt break like OEM plastic would.

[Shayan55]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Let's be realistic. Throttle response is merely for marketing material. Real benefit is it doesnt break like OEM plastic would.

So the only benefit is that its metal lmao

[Pnorth]

But does it brake... or was that a problem of the past and the whole thing is marketing?

When speaking to German tuning houses they don't change this and say it is not necessary - that it doesn't brake and it is all marketing...

[bryan_G01]

there is a pretty good chance it will break.

When the engine heats the plastic charge pipe it turns into playdoh, with the extra boost, it will usually crack the pipe at the fitting.

Its better to change it than to leave it. Trust me, it will break at the worst possible moment. For me was 3 hours away at a track day and had to ghetto rig it to stay on using muffler clamps.

[Shayan55]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

there is a pretty good chance it will break.

When the engine heats the plastic charge pipe it turns into playdoh, with the extra boost, it will usually crack the pipe at the fitting.

Its better to change it than to leave it. Trust me, it will break at the worst possible moment. For me was 3 hours away at a track day and had to ghetto rig it to stay on using muffler clamps.

Yea i think im going to get the VRSF one soon just to be safe. Which one do you have?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by f22_shayan

Yea i think im going to get the VRSF one soon just to be safe. Which one do you have?

VRSF is our most popular charge pipe

[Shayan55]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

VRSF is our most popular charge pipe

Yea ima look into the vrsf one from you when i can!

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Pnorth

But does it brake... or was that a problem of the past and the whole thing is marketing?

When speaking to German tuning houses they don't change this and say it is not necessary - that it doesn't brake and it is all marketing...

Do a quick search on busted OEM charge pipes and you'll quickly see that those German tuning houses are wrong

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Do a quick search on busted OEM charge pipes and you'll quickly see that those German tuning houses are wrong

Thing is, I've hardly read of any of the M235 OEM CPs breaking. They almost all seem to be for the N54/N55 1, 3, and 4 series. I've read of two people on this forum noting the CP blowing off, but both cars were pushing significant boost (20+psi) and one car was being raced on road course event in the heat when the CP popped off. No one has reported an OEM CP on M235 actually breaking and I have yet to read one case of a CP blowing off on a stock tune M235.

The F30 3/4 series seem to have way more CPs popping off and breaking, some stock and many modified cars. Apparently the CP on those cars is slightly different and weaker in design around the throttle body flange.

[Shayan55]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Thing is, I've hardly read of any of the M235 OEM CPs breaking. They almost all seem to be for the N54/N55 1, 3, and 4 series. I've read of two people on this forum noting the CP blowing off, but both cars were pushing significant boost (20+psi) and one car was being raced on road course event in the heat when the CP popped off. No one has reported an OEM CP on M235 actually breaking and I have yet to read one case of a CP blowing off on a stock tune M235.

The F30 3/4 series seem to have way more CPs popping off and breaking, some stock and many modified cars. Apparently the CP on those cars is slightly different and weaker in design around the throttle body flange.

Maybe cuz most people here replace their co before it blowsv

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Thing is, I've hardly read of any of the M235 OEM CPs breaking. They almost all seem to be for the N54/N55 1, 3, and 4 series. I've read of two people on this forum noting the CP blowing off, but both cars were pushing significant boost (20+psi) and one car was being raced on road course event in the heat when the CP popped off. No one has reported an OEM CP on M235 actually breaking and I have yet to read one case of a CP blowing off on a stock tune M235.

The F30 3/4 series seem to have way more CPs popping off and breaking, some stock and many modified cars. Apparently the CP on those cars is slightly different and weaker in design around the throttle body flange.

I'm sure we only see a small fraction of people posting their busted CPs. The vast majority probably never get posted.

If you're leaving the car stock I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just replace under warranty if it breaks on you.

If modding the car it should be upgraded in my opinion. Do it at the same time you do the intercooler to save time and labor.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by f22_shayan

Yea ima look into the vrsf one from you when i can!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

I'm sure we only see a small fraction of people posting their busted CPs. The vast majority probably never get posted.

If you're leaving the car stock I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just replace under warranty if it breaks on you.

If modding the car it should be upgraded in my opinion. Do it at the same time you do the intercooler to save time and labor.

+1

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

I'm sure we only see a small fraction of people posting their busted CPs. The vast majority probably never get posted.

If you're leaving the car stock I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just replace under warranty if it breaks on you.

If modding the car it should be upgraded in my opinion. Do it at the same time you do the intercooler to save time and labor.

+1

[MartyMcFly88MPH]

I imagine a charge pipe would have no effect on warranty?

[Shayan55]

Originally Posted by MartyMcFly88MPH

I imagine a charge pipe would have no effect on warranty?

Im sure if you blow ur motor bmwna will find a way to blame the chargepipe and make you pay for it

[KAY-OS]

Originally Posted by Pnorth

But does it brake... or was that a problem of the past and the whole thing is marketing?

When speaking to German tuning houses they don't change this and say it is not necessary - that it doesn't brake and it is all marketing...

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Thing is, I've hardly read of any of the M235 OEM CPs breaking. They almost all seem to be for the N54/N55 1, 3, and 4 series. I've read of two people on this forum noting the CP blowing off, but both cars were pushing significant boost (20+psi) and one car was being raced on road course event in the heat when the CP popped off. No one has reported an OEM CP on M235 actually breaking and I have yet to read one case of a CP blowing off on a stock tune M235.

The F30 3/4 series seem to have way more CPs popping off and breaking, some stock and many modified cars. Apparently the CP on those cars is slightly different and weaker in design around the throttle body flange.

Oh it breaks. I thought it wouldn't happen to me, but guess what, mine broke. We have a m235i Facebook group in HK and a bunch of our stock charge pipe broke (I forgot exactly but more than 5 of us for sure). Some of us stock, some light modded. The stock charge pipe is crap. Change it for a piece of mind.

[Fabspeed Motorsport]

As stated before - the chargepipe is mainly a preventative measure for the failure of the factory pipe. When I was working at my local BMW dealer I would have older guys who were repeat customers and were not into modifying the car, come in saying how they went out and bought upgraded ones because the OEM one failed under stock boost pressures.

I always like to say, "It's better to be proactive than reactive"!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by MartyMcFly88MPH

I imagine a charge pipe would have no effect on warranty?

I have never heard of any dealership giving customers a hard time because of an upgraded charge pipe

Originally Posted by Fabspeed Motorsport

As stated before - the chargepipe is mainly a preventative measure for the failure of the factory pipe. When I was working at my local BMW dealer I would have older guys who were repeat customers and were not into modifying the car, come in saying how they went out and bought upgraded ones because the OEM one failed under stock boost pressures.

I always like to say, "It's better to be proactive than reactive"!

+10000

[Anderw]

I wouldn't risk it Mine popped less than a mile from my house thank god I heard it, I put it in eco mode and coasted home. I had been mindful of it popping while I was driving from NJ to FL the whole time and A week later it happened good thing it didn't happen then. I got the VRSF from Mike



Thanks Mike!

[Pnorth]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Do a quick search on busted OEM charge pipes and you'll quickly see that those German tuning houses are wrong

I've done quite a bit of research and I still don't find the broken pipes... except for with the people using tuning boxes that "fake" the boost to be way too low to what it actually is...

The m235i racing uses the stock pipe... and if you've seen how hard they race those in the cup, then I wonder if it is the tuning boxes that creates the problem you are talking about? How come they can race as hard as they do with with the 235ir's with no failure and you claim it happens all the time? I'd love to be wrong, but it is hard to ignore what I see and suspect that "overboost" is the problem?