06-19-2016, 07:04 PM | #1 |
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Save the Manuals!
I drive a manual 228i and if I get an allocation my next M2 will be a manual, but I understand the automatic route. Supercars just don't have them and this article succinctly says why.
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06-20-2016, 12:41 AM | #3 |
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Sad but true, automatics/DCTs are more logical in today's world. Which is exactly why I choose to drive stick.
Just kidding, but IMO there's no way to quantify the lost engagement without a MT, no matter what the statistical performance benefits. |
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Auto just isn't as engaging for me. That said, I'm visiting my brother in San Jose and there's no way I'd drive a stick as my DD in this traffic. I'd probably own a motorcycle so I can lane split.......bike would be manual lol.
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Which modern race cars have manuals now?
If manuals could be improved better than autos they may come back but I don't see this happening. I would like a manual but BMW New Zealand won't import manuals not even a special order. These crazy autonomous cars will finish manuals off for good.
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Furthermore, a Manual does not "Hold Boost" through it's shifts, like a AUTO does ! |
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06-20-2016, 08:50 AM | #8 |
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Drove manuals for a long time, since ISF was my first choice I decided to try to settle for auto....but ended up finding m235i with color and opinions I wanted and it was a manual. So far happy and glad that M2 uses same tranny, just brings 235i that much closer to actual M
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06-20-2016, 10:28 AM | #13 |
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I went auto this time in my 235 due to left knee problems and I like it more than I thought it would.
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06-20-2016, 12:48 PM | #14 |
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I won't deny that the ZF, DCT, semi-sequential manuals are faster and are definitely ideal for competitive racing, but IMO, for a street driven car there is not much anything more enjoyable from a driving perspective than rowing you're own gears.
Many automarkers love the automatics because it greatly reduces the chances of operator error that can damage the tranny. They absolutely love having that control or reliability. The automatics are far more expensive to repair and replace and they love that factor has well. For examples, a remanufactured ZF 8AT in the 226/M235 is around $7500-8500 without install. The 6MT in the M235/M2/M3/M4 is ~4,500-5,500 for a remanufactured tranny, new bell housings, new flywheel, and new clutch (not installed). The automakers also love the automatics because it helps with bragging rights in terms of acceleration, Ring lap times, etc. The more they convince the buying public that automatics are the way, the better, in their opinion. What I really like about the manual is being able to adjust shift firmness, shift speed, skip shift (I routinely do a 1-3-5 shift), etc. It's the "man pedal" and I would have never considered the M235 with the auto. The ZF 8AT is lightening quick on the shifts and looses no boost on the shifts, BUT I've been there and did that for 6 years with a prior car. The novelty of snapping away on paddle shifters around town lost my interest after a year. Faster? Yes. More enjoyable? Only if you're racing for money or lap times. You may disagree and I totally understand. |
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Did they specify on downshift or upshift? I would understand on downshifting.
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I do it on occasion but dont have this habit anyway I guess typical scenario is accelerate through 1-2 maybe 3rd gear and then quickly jump to 6th as you realize you going too fast....I assume thats not good for synchro Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-20-2016 at 02:17 PM.. |
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At least you lasted almost a year! I was purely manuals for close to 15 years to one automatic and was bored of driving after about 4 months. I don't know, to me it seems that automatics are just a tiny fraction faster but way more boring to drive. Just my take but I'm sure some agree. |
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