[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

I can go on and on...here's another one.

2001 Allen Iverson, NBA scoring leader, steals leader. NBA MVP.
But all people remember was the dominant steamroller that was Shaq and Kobe. Swept every series in the playoffs, except game 1 of finals.

Iverson's single shining moment was game 1 of the finals, hitting the key 3 pointer over Tyron Lue and then stepping over him.

You see, Curry's and Warrior's performance will be relegated into history just like Iverson's..

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I can go on and on...here's another one.

2001 Allen Iverson, NBA scoring leader, steals leader. NBA MVP.
But all people remember was the dominant steamroller that was Shaq and Kobe. Swept every series in the playoffs, except game 1 of finals.

Iverson's single shining moment was game 1 of the finals, hitting the key 3 pointer over Tyron Lue and then stepping over him.

You see, Curry's and Warrior's performance will be relegated into history just like Iverson's..

Iverson probably had more talent than Curry. Rondo perhaps too.
But what don't they have?

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Iverson probably had more talent than Curry. Rondo perhaps too.
But what don't they have?

Iverson yes, Rondo no, at least ill give curry that much
Iverson had way more heart , he didn't shy away from contact and disappear in big games. His team was not good enough to take down Shaq/KoME
Shame Iverson never got a ring.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Iverson probably had more talent than Curry. Rondo perhaps too.
But what don't they have?

if you're implying about a NBA Championship...I'm pretty sure Rondo's got one of these...

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Iverson yes, Rondo no, at least ill give curry that much
Iverson had way more heart , he didn't shy away from contact and disappear in big games. His team was not good enough to take down Shaq/KoME
Shame Iverson never got a ring.

Talent is plentiful, unfulfilled talent, just as much.
Iverson wasn't as problematic as Rondo, but these two are prob the best 6'0 PGs ever.. Iverson had a dourness, not sure how to describe it, but you could never really envisage him with a ring, he could never make it to the final goal, there was something inside him stopping him.
Rondo was just batshit crazy. He didn't want to play ball more than picking fights.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

if you're implying about a NBA Championship...I'm pretty sure Rondo's got one of these...

that's ironic, he probably needed the opposite - tranquilizers, not more redbull

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Iverson's single shining moment was game 1 of the finals, hitting the key 3 pointer over Tyron Lue and then stepping over him.

poor T.Lue baby always getting the shaft

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Talent is plentiful, unfulfilled talent, just as much.
Iverson wasn't as problematic as Rondo, but these two are prob the best 6'0 PGs ever.. Iverson had a dourness, not sure how to describe it, but you could never really envisage him with a ring, he could never make it to the final goal, there was something inside him stopping him.
Rondo was just batshit crazy. He didn't want to play ball more than picking fights.

Isiah Thomas was barely 6'1 listed height, and I'm sure he would disagree with you about your statement. Oh and there's this dude named Stockton who was pretty good as well.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Isiah Thomas was barely 6'1 listed height, and I'm sure he would disagree with you about your statement. Oh and there's this dude named Stockton who was pretty good as well.

Stockton no way.. Isiah.. i can't judge since i never watched him
but he should give up commentary btw, he's boring af zzzzzz

Stockton and Malone is something rare you'll never find again..

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Stockton no way.. Isiah.. i can't judge since i never watched him
but he should give up commentary btw, he's boring af zzzzzz

Stockton and Malone is something rare you'll never find again..

So the guy who's sole job is to get assists as a POINT GUARD, being the ALL time leader in that category, likely never to be broken (15,806), you would not put ahead of AI or RONDO???

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

So the guy who's sole job is to get assists as a POINT GUARD, being the ALL time leader in that category, likely never to be broken (15,806), you would not put ahead of AI or RONDO???

no, i didn't say they were better than stockton, i was talking about TALENT.. what they actually did in the end with it is a different matter
sure stockton prob achieved more.. so it depends what you're talking about when you say "best"

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by grimlock

no, i didn't say they were better than stockton, i was talking about TALENT.. what they actually did in the end with it is a different matter
sure stockton prob achieved more.. so it depends what you're talking about when you say "best"

you mean POTENTIAL
Talent is getting 15k+ assists

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

you mean POTENTIAL
Talent is getting 15k+ assists

well, you know what i mean

but Stockton is the protypical 'average guy' .. who can pass.. you'll never see that again in the NBA, right?

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by grimlock

well, you know what i mean

but Stockton is the protypical 'average guy' .. who can pass.. you'll never see that again in the NBA, right?

DeAngelo Russell has that potential.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by grimlock

well, you know what i mean

but Stockton is the protypical 'average guy' .. who can pass.. you'll never see that again in the NBA, right?

yeah im just messing with you

But yes Stockton was not very athletic nor was he a jumper/super fast
What he did have, which few nba PGs have today was IQ, toughness and, quite frankly he was dirty
he was also very strong for his size and would not hesitate to elbow,body slam or even punch you in the face if given the opportunity
it was a different league back then
I do miss the fights

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

yeah im just messing with you

But yes Stockton was not very athletic nor was he a jumper/super fast
What he did have, which few nba PGs have today was IQ, toughness and, quite frankly he was dirty
he was also very strong for his size and would not hesitate to elbow,body slam or even punch you in the face if given the opportunity
it was a different league back then
I do miss the fights

strong? wtf? i didn't see that..

he and Hornacek were the shit.. like ppl nowadays would laugh or wonder how that could ever be. like two fortune 500 execs /preachers .. n they would have to COMB their hair - how did it never get messed up?
Ppl give you nose bleeds when you drive into the lane now, they would have to bring hair gel and comb their hair after every play

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

DeAngelo Russell has that potential.

haven't heard.. im serious
i only start watching at the late bandwagon stage.. dude, the Steph Curry emojis are so cool, do they make LBJ ones yet?

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by NickyC

James is the best of his generation without a doubt, and is a far better all around talent than Curry. In fact, it's not even close. I'd take one James over two Currys on my team any day.

The worst thing anyone can say about James is that he's not Jordan. Even that's a ridiculous statement because nobody else is either. Just because he's not as good as the best ever should take nothing away from the man.

Anyone who hates on James at this point has their vision clouded by other concerns not related to his talents and accomplishments as a basketball player. The all around stats he put up in this series are mind blowing, and he did it with the pressure of the world on his shoulders.

He's absolutely incredible.

Very insightful comment IMO.

The one point I'll make in response - generations love to claim their stars as the GOAT.

I have watched college and the NBA from a very early age, and have had the opportunity to see some of the greatest players in their prime, and then watch their decline and the transition to the next generation.

James is great - no doubt, but the comparisons to Jordan and others will never stop unless he gets 7 rings.

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

He is a one trick pony. His trick is, he doesn't show up when his team needs him. Where was his all finals?!
http://hoopshype.com/2016/06/20/from...ats-plummeted/


B/c years from now, no one would talk about the 73 win season. Everyone will be talking about how LeBron OWNED the finals.

Just like no one talks about the Patriot's 16-0 regular season, but everyone talks about David Tyree's catch. Funny how result actually matter, not stats.

It ain't about getting wins.....

It's about getting rings....

[Nkc]

Never knew Grimmy was so into ball.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

It ain't about getting wins.....

It's about getting rings....

true...


but you have to sometimes remember, some players weren't always blessed with a core team to win the rings.

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

true...


but you have to sometimes remember, some players weren't always blessed with a core team to win the rings.

Wait a minute....

Ron Harper, Jon Paxton, Steve Kerr, Horace Grant, Luc Longley, Dennis Rodman, Scott Williams, Stacey King, Toni Kukoc, Will Perdue.....etc

Jordan and Pippen.

The Bulls were a plug and play team around Jordan and Pippen, but I'd hardly call the teams that won championships 'blessed' with talent.