So, I drove my buddy's N54 135...and have some buyer's remorse |
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Think of Chris Harris and Ferrari a while back...they wouldn't loan him anything to review after one of his "honest" reviews, in which he did not provide a glowing review of a certain Ferrari... Hence you stick to the company line, and you sell magazines. Aka, everyone wins. My point is that a favorable or non-favorable review by an entity that is completely reliant upon car makers to provide it with the materials needed to sell their respective product may not be the most unbiased review. Maybe. Additionally, today Chack and I agreed that the M235 was better in the following ways: Better A/C; Better winshield wiper fluid; Bigger back seat; Better glove box Better battery area in the trunk; I jest...I jest...
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09-10-2014, 05:06 PM | #47 |
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I think it's the "fun-to-drive" factor that wins out with the N54 135. The engine is a bit more frantic, the steering is heavier with better feel, and the car is a little more tail happy. Road tests show that the M235i is faster both in a straight line and on the track.
Not that I have much seat time in either, but there is no doubt in my mind that the chassis tuning in the M235i is superior. The car may feel softer, but it is so much more composed when pushed hard around corners and over uneven pavement. I walked away from the M235i test drive feeling that is was a fantastically engineered car, but not necessarily as fun as i had hoped for. (It was still good enough that i'd be happy in one) Thing is, if the cars main purpose is track use, then fast wins out. If the main purpose is smiles, fun-to-drive factor wins. I'll take fun-to-drive every time. |
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Hmm, interesting insight OP. Thanks for sharing
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So, I wonder, could the adaptive suspension actually be reducing the fun a bit or does keeping the car in Sport or Sport+ keep it sport-suspension firm all the time? As for speed, that's so much of an upgrade for me with the 228i, it's not even funny. I finally passed the break-in period about a week ago, and I just can't believe how this little 2.0-liter pulls. And yet, my mileage is still about 3 MPG better than my 328i on the same roads. In every way except low-RPM smoothness, I prefer the 2.0-liter turbo to the 230HP I6.
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I believe it has to do a lot with expectations and OP, your expectations (from the 135) probably exceeded the real thing despite your initial apprehension. In addition, if and when we start to look for faults and shortcomings in our cars, we WILL find them. Umpteen threads and posts of such nature do unfortunately raise our expectations and/or fault awareness in our cars. Personally I had my AMG A45 briefly and eventually accepted that expectations and hype exceeded real car fun. I moved on and in your case, would suggest you should consider it too. It is possible that you may set (undelivered) expectations for the M2 based on your 235 experience.
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Else I get your point except for "faster than a 60's/70's muscle car" . I think you wrote that last thing when you were sleepy . |
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My main gripe is that the gain in luxury (aka, squishy) is coming via the loss of sportiness. Again, I don't mean in terms of 0-60 times or shit like that - just in terms of feel and involvement. Not that the N54 135 is the "ultimate" for that or anything, but it seems to have more of the "it" factor than the M235. IMO anyway.
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Turn all the nannies off in the N54 135, and you better be awake....
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though i stand by my opinion that a stock 235 is more neutral/rear biased than a 135, i should have mentioned that i do have the MP limited slip diff. it's a lot of fun and slides very predictably. maybe an LSD would make you like your car more? very expensive mod, i realize. but i got a killer deal on the car, so i was more willing to spend the $$.
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Will be interesting to see what becomes of the N55 in the M2... |
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I am only 6 months into my lease, so I have some time to really look into other options - the M2, if confirgured well, solves all of these problems. I am just not hopeful with the engine choice they've made...
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Hence, why a detuned S55 would have been a lot better...
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At least you leased the 235i.....I it makes you feel any better I have sellers remorse. I sold my 1M when the economy was bad. I regret it now. I wish I had my 1M back! : ) |
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I agree that the N54 might have had a little more lag - but only just - and to me, it revs soooooooo much more quickly than my M235 - I was out on some back roads last night, just doing some 40-80 or a little higher runs, and the car just doesn't seem to be very urgent - I don't know how else to explain it. Is it fast? Yes. Is it urgent? I don't think so. I recently got a warning that my oil level was low, so I added a quart of Castrol to the car. Might use that as a reason to visit the dealer, just to make sure there isn't something amiss - I don't think there is, because the car has felt this way since I took delivery, and has never thrown a warning out on the screen until the other day with the oil level. I feel your pain on the 1M...maybe you will get one again, once the M2 is out - that should finally cause the 1M's prices to drop a little...
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