Which car would you buy?

BEM-S4 · 02-06-2017, 09:56 AM

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Have you given the Mercedes C43 (a 340i equivalent) or the MB C63 (M3 equivalent) any consideration?

I have not. To be frank I'm a bit leary of how much power MB gets out of such small engines. Example is CLA AMG - 360hp out of 2.0L engine. Not sure how big the C43 is but I will look into it as well. Thanks!

C43 is a million times better than the CLA which in my opinion is overpriced crap. RWD biased even though AWD, much nicer interior, etc.

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 01:24 PM

Specced out a Q5 and it looks really good! $53.3k the 3.0 Premium Plus and everything I would need. Surprisingly much cheaper than I had thought. Those that have the Q5, do you find 2.0 adequate or did you go with 3.0?

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 01:26 PM

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C43 is a million times better than the CLA which in my opinion is overpriced crap. RWD biased even though AWD, much nicer interior, etc.

How is MB's reliability compared to BMW's?

bimmerfile · 02-06-2017, 01:36 PM

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I like the size of the X3. I heard some people mentioned that it's not as capable. Not sure if they meant off-roading or just overall. Thoughts?

I have not. To be frank I'm a bit leary of how much power MB gets out of such small engines. Example is CLA AMG - 360hp out of 2.0L engine. Not sure how big the C43 is but I will look into it as well. Thanks!

Dunno about the CLA, except for the one we rented during our last trip to California, Suffice to say that the CLA 250 was a morceau de merde. The C43 and C63 are different animals.

The C43 has a 3 liter twin-turbo V-6, 362 hp / 384 lb-ft.
The C63 has a 4 liter twin-turbo V-8, 469 hp / 479 lb-ft.

BEM-S4 · 02-06-2017, 03:41 PM

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C43 is a million times better than the CLA which in my opinion is overpriced crap. RWD biased even though AWD, much nicer interior, etc.

How is MB's reliability compared to BMW's?

I haven't had one since 2003. I don't keep my cars past warranty with very rare exception so honestly not a huge concern for me. The C43 is a rebranded C450 so it's not like a brand new thing is really worry about too much.

p912guy · 02-06-2017, 04:03 PM

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Specced out a Q5 and it looks really good! $53.3k the 3.0 Premium Plus and everything I would need. Surprisingly much cheaper than I had thought. Those that have the Q5, do you find 2.0 adequate or did you go with 3.0?

We went with the supercharged 3.0T in our Q5. It's quick and is a well rated and reliable motor. Never really considered the 2.0T.

Bill Kayen · 02-06-2017, 05:29 PM

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Specced out a Q5 and it looks really good! $53.3k the 3.0 Premium Plus and everything I would need. Surprisingly much cheaper than I had thought. Those that have the Q5, do you find 2.0 adequate or did you go with 3.0?

Had a 2.0T and it was more than enough power. Traded it in for a MB 300d which blows the Q5 away. The torque is amazing and the mpg is 39 on the HWY. There is a new Q5 coming out soon. That should be an interesting option.

p912guy · 02-06-2017, 06:57 PM

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There is a new Q5 coming out soon. That should be an interesting option.

Agree 100%. I'd wait for the new Q5. The best of the current Q5 plus the new tech that's found in the new A4, Q7, etc.

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 07:08 PM

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Had a 2.0T and it was more than enough power. Traded it in for a MB 300d which blows the Q5 away. The torque is amazing and the mpg is 39 on the HWY. There is a new Q5 coming out soon. That should be an interesting option.

Yes, saw a few articles for the 2018 Q5. Looks fantastic!! Good power and well priced.

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 07:09 PM

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Agree 100%. I'd wait for the new Q5. The best of the current Q5 plus the new tech that's found in the new A4, Q7, etc.

Agreed. Man the interior is fantastic! I think if it's an SUV the Q5 is a strong contender.

RotorOver · 02-06-2017, 07:48 PM

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Specced out a Q5 and it looks really good! $53.3k the 3.0 Premium Plus and everything I would need. Surprisingly much cheaper than I had thought. Those that have the Q5, do you find 2.0 adequate or did you go with 3.0?

Got a great deal on a 2017 Q5 2.0T Premium Plus with Tech package in December. It's my wife's DD. I have to say we really enjoy it. We were coming out of a 2006 Jeep Commander with a V-8 hemi. Of course that car had more power, but was no where near as refined. I'd say for the money, there is ample power in the Q5. The 0-60 time is 7.0 sec, which equals the time of the 2001 Lexus IS 300 I had for over 15 years. So, you can see my perspective.

We've done a number 360 mile round trips to visit our son since owning it and can say it is a pleasure on the highway. Very compliant yet handles well and like I said, enough power for highway passing.

The only thing I find that leaves something to be desired in that car (or any Audi with it installed) is the MMI system. But, I'm spoiled by an iDrive 5.0 system in the M240i. The Audi system doesn't compare in use-ability, speed, intuitiveness or graphics quality. I'm sure the virtual cockpit coming in the 2018 MY Q5 will be nice if they get all the bugs worked out plus you would get a bigger motor I believe.

Good luck with your decision!

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 08:27 PM

@RotorOver it's no wonder that Q5 accounts for about 26% of their sales. The SQ5 would be a fantastic option and of course approaching Porsche territory.

RotorOver · 02-06-2017, 09:34 PM

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@RotorOver it's no wonder that Q5 accounts for about 26% of their sales. The SQ5 would be a fantastic option and of course approaching Porsche territory.

Indeed!

ny176 · 02-06-2017, 10:03 PM

If your looking to buy a house and save as much as possible, I'd pick option 1. What's the residual left after your lease? I read this can be negotiated as well with BMWFS for a slightly lower amount if you decide to purchase. Also, if your still undecided I believe you can extend your lease a couple of months. I'd call BMWFS for end of lease options.

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 11:13 PM

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If your looking to buy a house and save as much as possible, I'd pick option 1. What's the residual left after your lease? I read this can be negotiated as well with BMWFS for a slightly lower amount if you decide to purchase. Also, if your still undecided I believe you can extend your lease a couple of months. I'd call BMWFS for end of lease options.

Right. I can ask them to extend 2 (maybe 3?) or up to 6 if I have a production number for a new BMW.

I believe residual is about $30k. I'm sure dealer can buy it for low 20's. I'm hoping, if I were to buy it out, that I can get it for around mid 20's. I have only done a lease buyout once before with a 335. Similar MSRP as the M235. Residual was around 30k and they offered me something like $26.5k plus tax without much negotiation.

DF · 02-06-2017, 11:27 PM

I hate SUVs. People rarely "need" them. I would go m3

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 11:32 PM

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Indeed!

I read that the 2018 Q5 is about 200 lbs lighter than the outgoing mode. WHy can't BMW do that? Their cars just keeps getting bigger and heavier.

BMW F22 · 02-06-2017, 11:34 PM

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I hate SUVs. People rarely "need" them. I would go m3

So much $$$ though if bought new. Used would be around the same price as a new Q5.

DF · 02-06-2017, 11:43 PM

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So much $$$ though if bought new. Used would be around the same price as a new Q5.

A q5 is a box on wheels. if you need a hauler get a forunner or a Honda Pilot. They will do the job and never break

ny176 · 02-06-2017, 11:51 PM

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Right. I can ask them to extend 2 (maybe 3?) or up to 6 if I have a production number for a new BMW.

I believe residual is about $30k. I'm sure dealer can buy it for low 20's. I'm hoping, if I were to buy it out, that I can get it for around mid 20's. I have only done a lease buyout once before with a 335. Similar MSRP as the M235. Residual was around 30k and they offered me something like $26.5k plus tax without much negotiation.

Wow what an awesome price for your 335. Was this offered by BMWFS or the dealer? I've never bought a car after lease but seriously considering buying my 15' 228xi after lease.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

BMW F22 · 02-07-2017, 12:08 AM

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Wow what an awesome price for your 335. Was this offered by BMWFS or the dealer? I've never bought a car after lease but seriously considering buying my 15' 228xi after lease.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

It was by the dealer where I leased the car from. I just said I would like to buy it out and how much could he offer me. I wanted to be at $25k but he wouldn't go lower than $26.5k. Led me to believe that their buyout price is probably somewhere between $24-25k if not lower.

BMW F22 · 02-09-2017, 07:27 PM

Talked to my dealer and residual is about $30k. As it stands they can do about $29k + tax; $3-4k higher than what I was expecting. Hmm...

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BMW F22 Major General 3566 Rep 9,788 Posts Drives: ///M235i Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (8)	@RotorOver it's no wonder that Q5 accounts for about 26% of their sales. The SQ5 would be a fantastic option and of course approaching Porsche territory.
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ny176 Lieutenant 122 Rep 504 Posts Drives: F30 340xi Msport Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NJ/NY iTrader: (0)	If your looking to buy a house and save as much as possible, I'd pick option 1. What's the residual left after your lease? I read this can be negotiated as well with BMWFS for a slightly lower amount if you decide to purchase. Also, if your still undecided I believe you can extend your lease a couple of months. I'd call BMWFS for end of lease options. __________________ Current:16' F30 340 Alpine WHT MSport
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