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      06-25-2014, 05:21 AM   #45
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Given how good the reviews have been for the M135i and how outstanding they have been for the M235i I cannot fathom why BMW is planning to move the entire setup to UKL, it seems totally illogical to throw out the performance powerhouses with the mainstream because a few 116i buyers don't know it's RWD.

I wonder if sales of the M235i might force a rethink on the whole Under Klasse FWD move.
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      06-25-2014, 06:18 AM   #46
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I hope you're not trying to rain on the parade of excited current and future M235i owners out of insecurity of what you have in your garage. The 135i is a great car and pedigree worth noting but if we are comparing d*cks here I noticed that your ride is a convertible. Any argument that you specifically might have regarding handling goes right out the window (or soft top) so let's play nice here and just let everyone enjoy the news.
you pretty much nailed it. not sure why the 2 series causes such angst among 1ers? guess it's the same thing you see with the E9X owners hating on the F80/82.
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      06-25-2014, 06:18 AM   #47
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Given how good the reviews have been for the M135i and how outstanding they have been for the M235i I cannot fathom why BMW is planning to move the entire setup to UKL, it seems totally illogical to throw out the performance powerhouses with the mainstream because a few 116i buyers don't know it's RWD.

I wonder if sales of the M235i might force a rethink on the whole Under Klasse FWD move.
That allow them to share the same platform between the mini, x1,x2, serie 1, serie 2 and probably z2. Seem like BMW is all about money saving these days. It really bad considering that the current 2 is by far their best product in the entire line up IMO.
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      06-25-2014, 07:24 AM   #48
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haha. That escalated quickly.

I really dont see how the convertible argument matters in this context. BMW knows how to build a good vert. The 135 vert is great and I would assume that the 2er vert will also be excellent.

Theres no need for anyone to belittle anyone here.




On a side note I see that youre in Charlotte. Did you come out to see GRC races when we there last year? If not you should come this year! Were there in a month at the Dirt Track.
First of all no I'm not familiar with the GRC. I'll definitely have to check it out though. Thanks for the information.

My apologies if my statement came off as belittling, the 135i is a fantastic car and I'd put a 1 series vert up against any vert out there. It just kills me when fellow BMW owners troll the forums of other series models to state why their vehicles are superior. I'd be just as critical of a 2 series owner running over to 1addicts to minimize a positive review of the 1 series. No need for Debbie Downers here. That being said it was never my intention to belittle anyone. My bad.
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      06-25-2014, 08:15 AM   #49
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First of all no I'm not familiar with the GRC. I'll definitely have to check it out though. Thanks for the information.

My apologies if my statement came off as belittling, the 135i is a fantastic car and I'd put a 1 series vert up against any vert out there. It just kills me when fellow BMW owners troll the forums of other series models to state why their vehicles are superior. I'd be just as critical of a 2 series owner running over to 1addicts to minimize a positive review of the 1 series. No need for Debbie Downers here. That being said it was never my intention to belittle anyone. My bad.
Trust me man, I know all too well what it feels like. I have an 08 135 and until recently I had an ActiveE. I got trolled a lot. Haha

I really need to test drive a 2. I've sat in a bunch at auto shows and I do think they're very nice, but I can't get past the price. My vert in 08 based at $39,100. Accounting for inflation that's $43,200 in today's money - about the base of an M235 coupe. I also optioned one up the other day and the price came out to just shy of $50k. I bought an i3 last month for $51k, and that has expensive batteries, electronics, and a carbon fiber monocoque.

So that's really my issue, its the price. It may be a great car but I have a tough time justifying it over other options.
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I haven't read a CR review in ages but I have to commend them - they clearly spent some time with the car and did a good job of conveying their thoughts. Certainly more in depth and descriptive than some of the articles that the big US car magazines seems to produce these days.

Except for the some confusion on the non RFT they were pretty much spot on.
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      06-25-2014, 08:40 AM   #51
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I could go through all of those menus, or I could just hit the "Rest" button on my center console.



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Honestly the only time it's a hassle the very first time you try to set it up. After that first time, its pretty quick. And it allows for both "rest" and a automatic rest at a time of your choosing. Pretty niffy.
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I hope you're not trying to rain on the parade of excited current and future M235i owners out of insecurity of what you have in your garage. The 135i is a great car and pedigree worth noting but if we are comparing d*cks here I noticed that your ride is a convertible. Any argument that you specifically might have regarding handling goes right out the window (or soft top) so let's play nice here and just let everyone enjoy the news.
It seems like the only negative comments come from 1-series owners who have probably never driven the 2.
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      06-25-2014, 08:49 AM   #53
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Sorry, but you missed one; previously rated 135i at 97 and FORGOT to test 1M which is the one that really would have scored 100! BTW, their score on the TESLA looks like the fix was in; the negative comments they made on it would normally have gotten a car down to 90...Then again WE don't really care what they think except maybe the reliability data.

They didn't forget. Consumer Reports actually anonymously purchases each car they test from the dealers lot. They never test press cars. I think it's safe to assume they couldn't purchase a 1M.
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I hope my car comes soon, waiting is killing me it's waiting for the ship at this moment. Fully loaded mineral white baby with CR leather and dark wood trim... Give me my love, I can't wait any longer!!! :-O
My car was built on the 19th, and it looks I am on Independence II, coming to NY on July 9th!
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      06-25-2014, 09:30 AM   #55
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Nice write up. Now if I could only get a large suitcase into the trunk.
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to see that report 2 days ago. Good reviews are always nice to see.

As to the trunk space, well, just fold down your rear seats!
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      06-25-2014, 09:49 AM   #56
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M235i is a nice car, but I would only trust Consumer Reports if I was shopping for a toaster or similar appliance.
Do I detect a little sour grapes?
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They know nothing about cars. Period.
Ouch!!
Sounds like someone bought something else and now has buyer's remorse...
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      06-25-2014, 10:51 AM   #58
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My car was built on the 19th, and it looks I am on Independence II, coming to NY on July 9th!
My car was also on the Independence II and got delivered in March!
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      06-25-2014, 11:10 AM   #59
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It seems like the only negative comments come from 1-series owners who have probably never driven the 2.

Not true. Most have driven the 2 and while overall the 2 series is a better car and probably better looking, there are some things that were better on the 1 series for some. It had better real sound and a really nice normally aspirated 128 model, it had a temp gauge and you could get it without iDrive or active suspension if you wished and it felt firmer too, it had a hydraulic steering rack and a place to stick your key in. Those are small differences that that some people appreciate.

Secondly and most important, there is all this thing about 1 series owners "trolling" 2 series site. As if we should stay on our side of the fence.

What these people don't get is that the 2 series IS THE old 1 series! Many of us are looking at the 2 series as a replacement to the 1 so that trolling stuff is bunk. I will rinse and repeat....the 2 series is the 1 series with a new badge and it is the same group of people looking at it.
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Not true. Most have driven the 2 and while overall the 2 series is a better car and probably better looking, there are some things that were better on the 1 series for some. It had better real sound and a really nice normally aspirated 128 model, it had a temp gauge and you could get it without iDrive or active suspension if you wished and it felt firmer too, it had a hydraulic steering rack and a place to stick your key in. Those are small differences that that some people appreciate.

Secondly and most important, there is all this thing about 1 series owners "trolling" 2 series site. As if we should stay on our side of the fence.

What these people don't get is that the 2 series IS THE old 1 series! Many of us are looking at the 2 series as a replacement to the 1 so that trolling stuff is bunk. I will rinse and repeat....the 2 series is the 1 series with a new badge and it is the same group of people looking at it.
My current car is a 335is. I don't like how the 1 series looks, plus I found it just a bit too cheaply finished. I have the M235i on order and it satisfies by having most of what I liked about the 135is without all the things I didn't. Except the really crappy sun visors that feel like they came from a Toyota Yaris. No idea what the hell that's about...
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Nice write up. Now if I could only get a large suitcase into the trunk.
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to see that report 2 days ago. Good reviews are always nice to see.

As to the trunk space, well, just fold down your rear seats!
Not braggin' but... I drove away from my ED with 4 carry-ons, two shoulder bags, a leather jacket and the complimentary bouquet in the trunk. The spouses of pilot and navigator occupied the rear seats.
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Not braggin' but... I drove away from my ED with 4 carry-ons, two shoulder bags, a leather jacket and the complimentary bouquet in the trunk. The spouses of pilot and navigator occupied the rear seats.
I'm pretty good at packing, too.
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They're talking rubbish. You press the park button for "park" you don't push the lever at all.
Coming from a car that you did flick it forward for park it took a little getting used to for me
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They didn't forget. Consumer Reports actually anonymously purchases each car they test from the dealers lot. They never test press cars. I think it's safe to assume they couldn't purchase a 1M.
I know it can be hard to tell in these circumstances, but I was being facetious
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I too find CR weak on evaluating sporty cars, plus I still hold a grudge over the Suziki Samurai fiasco (for those too young to remember, they claimed it was unsafe due to tipping issues, it turned out they after the standard course was modified to induce the tipover behavior which did not occur while experienced drivers utilized the standard course." This killed the Samurai sales. I bought one in 1985 and it was great little mini-jeep with outstanding off road capabilities for its size and power.

That said, they do handle repair issues and reliability quite well.
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