[Motorsport_235i]

What tune would u put on a 235i?
i was thinking of a stock JB4 at 500$ is a good option?
what do u guys think?

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_235i

What tune would u put on a 235i?
i was thinking of a stock JB4 at 500$ is a good option?
what do u guys think?

Lots of info in the engine forum. But to sum it up, the JB4 is the best place to start, then you have all of the adjust-ability you need for future bolt on mods.

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[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_235i

What tune would u put on a 235i?
i was thinking of a stock JB4 at 500$ is a good option?
what do u guys think?

Jb4 is the way to go ... We offer 14 days money back guarantee if you would like to give it a try

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Jb4 is the way to go ... We offer 14 days money back guarantee if you would like to give it a try

JB4 is only the way to go because you sell it. Not saying JB4 is bad, but you push it too hard without providing any alternatives.

OP look into doing a flash tune and do it right from the start. PM me if you want more info.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by crbalch

JB4 is only the way to go because you sell it. Not saying JB4 is bad, but you push it too hard without providing any alternatives.

OP look into doing a flash tune and do it right from the start. PM me if you want more info.

Did you bother checking our website before posting?

We offer Burger Tuning, Afe, Enzo, Active Autowerke tunes and soon BM3 Not sure how many more alternatives you need.

I push it because it is the most complete tune at the lowest price. Why would i pay more to get less?

[wjjkoevoets]

Originally Posted by crbalch

JB4 is only the way to go because you sell it. Not saying JB4 is bad, but you push it too hard without providing any alternatives.

OP look into doing a flash tune and do it right from the start. PM me if you want more info.

JB4 is a perfect starter.

It offers:
- Logging
- On-the-fly map changes (bad weather? stock map! Trackday? race map!)
- Live readout of parameters
- Direct EWG boost control
- Meth kit ready
- Bolt-on ready
- Excellent BT options (log collection, map changes, firmware updates)

I don't think any of the others boxes offer this and a flash tune is less flexible.

That's not me saying that flash is a bad option, definitely not! But if you want a quick, affordable solution that offers future mod compatibility a JB4 is a very nice device. Hell, it can even be used with a flash tune so you can have both if you so desire.

[Dylan86]

^^ Exactly. Not a case of good or bad, but I feel it's the best starting point. This said, ESPECIALLY WHILE UNDER WARRANTY. Last thing you need is a blown "x" and a flash tune which can't be removed.

[Motorsport_235i]

so if i put my JB4 at map zero the dealer won't be able to tell i have a tune on?
also i saw it at 549$ on the official website
is there somewhere i can get it cheaper
what is the max torque and hp it gives on a stock car?
also some guy suggested me JB+ but for 150$ i rather get the real thing !!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_235i

so if i put my JB4 at map zero the dealer won't be able to tell i have a tune on?
also i saw it at 549$ on the official website
is there somewhere i can get it cheaper
what is the max torque and hp it gives on a stock car?
also some guy suggested me JB+ but for 150$ i rather get the real thing !!

It should be undetectable at map 0 but i strongly recommend uninstalling it all together before your visit.
We offer it for much cheaper than that, im not allowed to post links on here

Here is a dyno

[Motorsport_235i]

ok then send me a PM message of the link of ur JB4 for N55 2016 235i
also i wanna know for JB4 on stock at what map max would u go if u were me?
i heard map2 is max is that right?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_235i

ok then send me a PM message of the link of ur JB4 for N55 2016 235i
also i wanna know for JB4 on stock at what map max would u go if u were me?
i heard map2 is max is that right?

Done

On a stock car, use map 1
Map 2 is used if you have downpipe

[Motorsport_235i]

ok cool
but bro u offer the same price that is on there official website

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_235i

ok cool
but bro u offer the same price that is on there official website

We offer free shipping + loyalty points
+ phone support + forum support

it is not all about money

[abomb60]

I went with Dinan due to the warranty and not having the hassle of having to uninstall it if I go in for service when BMW is footing the bill. I have read great things about the JB4 and would have gone that way if my car wasn't leased. Maybe if I buy this one after my lease I'll go with a JB4 ... seems to be much more flexible with mods and options.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Jb4 is the way to go ... We offer 14 days money back guarantee if you would like to give it a try

The problem is that you comment on every post related to tunes, and simply say "buy the JB4" without offering up any sound advice.

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

We offer Burger Tuning, Afe, Enzo, Active Autowerke tunes and soon BM3 Not sure how many more alternatives you need.

I push it because it is the most complete tune at the lowest price. Why would i pay more to get less?

I know that you offer all the piggyback solutions, but you only offer one flash solution, which is not a very good one.

BM3 is an absolute gamechanger, which would give you all the ancillary features of the JB4, but with the much more powerful direct DME flash.

Originally Posted by wjjkoevoets

JB4 is a perfect starter.

It offers:
- Logging
- On-the-fly map changes (bad weather? stock map! Trackday? race map!)
- Live readout of parameters
- Direct EWG boost control
- Meth kit ready
- Bolt-on ready
- Excellent BT options (log collection, map changes, firmware updates)

I don't think any of the others boxes offer this and a flash tune is less flexible.

That's not me saying that flash is a bad option, definitely not! But if you want a quick, affordable solution that offers future mod compatibility a JB4 is a very nice device. Hell, it can even be used with a flash tune so you can have both if you so desire.

These are all very good points and I agree with everything you said. While a flash is less flexible, the power generation (curve/absolute) is much better. That comes with the price of flexibility though so I totally understand starting with a JB4

Originally Posted by Dylan86

^^ Exactly. Not a case of good or bad, but I feel it's the best starting point. This said, ESPECIALLY WHILE UNDER WARRANTY. Last thing you need is a blown "x" and a flash tune which can't be removed.

Blown x -> revert the DME to stock -> take to dealer to fix under warranty. Flash tunes are only detectable by removing the DME and seeing if its tampered with, or by doing OBD flashes (which throws a tamper code). However, the tamper code solution is being worked on as we speak with bootmod 3, and will alleviate any and all concerns around reverting to stock.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by crbalch

The problem is that you comment on every post related to tunes, and simply say "buy the JB4" without offering up any sound advice.


I know that you offer all the piggyback solutions, but you only offer one flash solution, which is not a very good one.

BM3 is an absolute gamechanger, which would give you all the ancillary features of the JB4, but with the much more powerful direct DME flash.

I always give advice and one why one tune is better than the other.


Enzo is not a good flash?
We also offer BM3

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_235i

What tune would u put on a 235i?
i was thinking of a stock JB4 at 500$ is a good option?
what do u guys think?

OP - the question you need to ask yourself is this: what is your end goal?

Do you plan on staying just stock and doing a tune? Doing a downpipe in the future? Going FBO + tune? Utilizing meth or ethanol?

These will all factor into your decision around a tune. If you want to start with the tune and upgrade as you go along, the JB4 would probably make the most sense. The JB4 can support your future mods until you decide you want to make actual power and then I would suggest getting a custom flash tune for your mods/power goals.

If you plan on only staying stock, I would just opt for a Stage 1 tune. You can take them on and off in minutes, and they are cheap (BMS Stage 1). They will net you about the same gain as the JB4 since you will need to run Map 1 anyway.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

I always give advice and one why one tune is better than the other.

Enzo is not a good flash?
We also offer BM3

I usually just see you say JB4 is what you should get, and oh by the way we have a 14 day money back guarantee. Looks like the OP is brand new, so providing some contrasting details around various flashes, or at least pointing him to some threads, would be a lot more beneficial.

There have been countless horror stories around Enzo. I won't get into it here, but you can do some searching and read up on it yourself. I personally know multiple cases of people that have gone with Enzo and its been an absolute disaster.

BM3 is great, still a bit buggy currently, and the tamper code protection hasn't been fully flushed out. I plan on moving to BM3 in the spring, and having ACF Performance create multiple flashes to select from. Best of all worlds.

[pz619]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Blown x -> revert the DME to stock -> take to dealer to fix under warranty. Flash tunes are only detectable by removing the DME and seeing if its tampered with, or by doing OBD flashes (which throws a tamper code). However, the tamper code solution is being worked on as we speak with bootmod 3, and will alleviate any and all concerns around reverting to stock.

This isn't really true anymore. Apparently the new BMW software can detect if the DME was ever unlocked, regardless of it being reverted back to stock and no tamper codes. People have already been flagged. Details can be found here. First few pages have misinformation but it starts getting interesting mid thread.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1327330

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by crbalch

I usually just see you say JB4 is what you should get, and oh by the way we have a 14 day money back guarantee. Looks like the OP is brand new, so providing some contrasting details around various flashes, or at least pointing him to some threads, would be a lot more beneficial.

There have been countless horror stories around Enzo. I won't get into it here, but you can do some searching and read up on it yourself. I personally know multiple cases of people that have gone with Enzo and its been an absolute disaster.

BM3 is great, still a bit buggy currently, and the tamper code protection hasn't been fully flushed out. I plan on moving to BM3 in the spring, and having ACF Performance create multiple flashes to select from. Best of all worlds.

This is interesting. Do you have any links ppl can use to research BM3?

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by BentZero

This is interesting. Do you have any links ppl can use to research BM3?

Lookup Bootmod3 by Pro Tuning Freaks. Or reach out to them directly proTUNING Freaks. Feel free to shoot me a PM as well, as ACF (the guys that did my flash), are working directly with PFT on BM3 and can answer any and all questions.

I plan on going BM3 come spring.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by pz619

This isn't really true anymore. Apparently the new BMW software can detect if the DME was ever unlocked, regardless of it being reverted back to stock and no tamper codes. People have already been flagged. Details can be found here. First few pages have misinformation but it starts getting interesting mid thread.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1327330

I believe you are talking about the DME unlock procedure, which is separate from a flash. When you unlock the DME, you enable it to be flashed via OBDII. A full flash doesn't incorporate that procedure, therefore it won't throw any tamper codes. You only get those codes if you utilize the OBDII unlock feature. However, BM3 and ACF are working on a solution to remove those tamper codes so I am going to wait that out.

Regardless, my tuner is local so I can always flash back to stock before service (if ever), and my SA is unbelievably cool with mods. Not overly concerned here.