why did you chosse 128i vs 135i???

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by Suprgnat

I'm out in Tracy. We all pick our poison.

amen

[x97Melbourne]

Originally Posted by dragon1761

Just want to know why people choose 128i vs 135i and vice versa.

I choose the 128i bc it is a daily car for me and i need to save on gas mileage if im going to drive it everyday and everywhere. Also because of speed limit, i tend to have a lead foot.

The gas mileage is the same assuming you have the manual which most on here do......so that wouldn't be a reason. Both 28MPG highway.....just like the 328 and 335 (previous model generation).

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by Suprgnat

I'm a noob. I was unaware you could purchase gray market automobiles in the United States as CPO's. Is this a new BMW policy?

(and model years before they were produced, I.E. E82/88)

I meant that CPOed e46s overlapped with USA e82 sales.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

The argument devolved from there into name calling on both sides and I was banned.

Thats neither here nor there, the point is that im happy with my purchases. And quite frankly you shouldnt call yourself a "car guy" if you shit on other people's choices (within reason, fart cans are still gross). The only requirement for being a car enthusiast is just that, enthusiasm.

So just be excellent to each other.

Didn't realize you got a ban for that.

The problem with "loving" all the performance cars out there is that it sets zero expectations for the manufacturer.

The current focus on MPG and the rampent horsepower war is responsible for the decimation of the drivers car. In the name of tiny MPG gains and protecting the driver from the massive engine, driving feel and mechanical connection has been insulated out. Now it is all electronic power steering and computerized AWD traction control on cars like the GTR to turn a good lap time on the Nordschleife.

Those of us who want to connect with the car have little to no options in the future of motoring, and it is aggravating to say the least.

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Fucking, sunroof. I was so pissed when there was no sunroof delete package. My lease is up July 14th. I think I've opened the sunroof one time... and that was in the 1st week of ownership.

I will never buy a car with a sunroof or an automatic transmission. Just at a base level, those are absolute requirements.

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Quote:
The current focus on MPG and the rampent horsepower war is responsible for the decimation of the drivers car. In the name of tiny MPG gains and protecting the driver from the massive engine, driving feel and mechanical connection has been insulated out. Now it is all electronic power steering and computerized AWD traction control on cars like the GTR to turn a good lap time on the Nordschleife.

Those of us who want to connect with the car have little to no options in the future of motoring, and it is aggravating to say the least.

I guess its pretty safe to assume that BMW was taking MPG into consideration when they included Valvetronic into the N52's development,




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[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by vertebra

I guess its pretty safe to assume that BMW was taking MPG into consideration when they included Valvetronic into the N52's development,

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Probably. But where did I say that the N52 was the best engine ever or that the 128i was the best driver's car?

[Obioban]

Also, valvetronic makes the engine MORE responsive, not less. So, who cares what their motivation was?

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Those of us who want to connect with the car have little to no options in the future of motoring, and it is aggravating to say the least.

Hey, speaking of "little to no options", they still make the Miata

Srsly though, the success of the BRZ/FRS seems to be a good sign for enthusiasts. I'm optimistic.

[631twentyeighteye]

^^ My next car purchase will more than likely be a 2012 BRZ in a few years when the STI comes out, and the original NA motor prices drop like stones.

[EnlightenedOne]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

^^ My next car purchase will more than likely be a 2012 BRZ in a few years when the STI comes out, and the original NA motor prices drop like stones.

Ha... I just traded my FR-S for the 135.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by EnlightenedOne

Ha... I just traded my FR-S for the 135.

How are you finding it compared to the FR-S? I love the power in my 135i, but a sub-3000 lb curb weight sure does change things up a bit.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Hey, speaking of "little to no options", they still make the Miata

Srsly though, the success of the BRZ/FRS seems to be a good sign for enthusiasts. I'm optimistic.

I had a BRZ for a bit. It certainly is a good sign for enthusiasts, but isn't a good option for someone who is used to German cars. If you were upgrading from a Civic you would think it was amazing.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

How are you finding it compared to the FR-S? I love the power in my 135i, but a sub-3000 lb curb weight sure does change things up a bit.

A 128i with factory (330i/Z4 3.0/X5 3.0) N52 3 stage intake manifold, headers, and a tune is 290-300 hp (with no decrease in reliability, your just ungimping what BMW to bring it down to "28" trim- stock N52s came with up to 282 hp from the factory, and the last 20 hp is headers, with is just unrestricting the exhaust path (not adding stress to the engine)).

and

Light weight 17s with non run flat tires gets the curb weight to <3100 lbs (no sunroof, manual coupe).

...Without the econobox materials, lack of sound deadening, or lack of power of the BRZ.

Best of both worlds. IMO, anyway.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Didn't realize you got a ban for that.

The problem with "loving" all the performance cars out there is that it sets zero expectations for the manufacturer.

Yeah Jason went off on me and scolded me like a 5 year old who just mouthed off to his aunt - it was actually really funny.


Im not saying dont expect what you want. Im saying that we need to treat eachother like were at meets. "Ohh your car is pretty cool heres mine, its also cool"
These debate threads are just getting tired. A 128 with few options is good for you, a 135 is good for me. Its pretty clear that we both really like our cars. So lets focus on that.


I dont like R35 GTRs and I think that I enjoy my car more than I would an R35. Does that mean that I have a right to tell GTR owners that they made the wrong choice? No it doesnt.
Thats just an example, but I hope it makes it clear what im trying to say.

[Obioban]

The current GTR is the epitome of everything that is wrong with modern sports cars-- my second least favorite car on sale today, after the Prius.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Yeah Jason went off on me and scolded me like a 5 year old who just mouthed off to his aunt - it was actually really funny.


Im not saying dont expect what you want. Im saying that we need to treat eachother like were at meets. "Ohh your car is pretty cool heres mine, its also cool"
These debate threads are just getting tired. A 128 with few options is good for you, a 135 is good for me. Its pretty clear that we both really like our cars. So lets focus on that.


I dont like R35 GTRs and I think that I enjoy my car more than I would an R35. Does that mean that I have a right to tell GTR owners that they made the wrong choice? No it doesnt.
Thats just an example, but I hope it makes it clear what im trying to say.

Don't get me wrong, the 135i is a minor infractor in my mind. It isn't like the R35 GTR where every aspect of the car is downright offensive.

Your KSP sig picture is winning me over more though.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by Obioban

The current GTR is the epitome of everything that is wrong with modern sports cars-- my second least favorite car on sale today, after the Prius.

+1!

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Your KSP sig picture is winning me over more though.

My first Mun landing.

Do you play?

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

The current focus on MPG and the rampent horsepower war is responsible for the decimation of the drivers car. In the name of tiny MPG gains and protecting the driver from the massive engine, driving feel and mechanical connection has been insulated out. Now it is all electronic power steering and computerized AWD traction control on cars like the GTR to turn a good lap time on the Nordschleife.

Those of us who want to connect with the car have little to no options in the future of motoring, and it is aggravating to say the least.

Ill agree to a point. Its really satisfying to get 35 mpg out of a car that goes like stink. That being said, youre completely right. The fact that the M5 plays engine noises for you is ridiculous. The problem is a stupid one too.

Why is it that a one in 500 Ferrari needs provisions for a toddler's car seat in the USA?

Dont get me started on electric steering. I live with it everytime I drive the E. Ill say its very precise, but you get nothing back from it. The first time I got in a car and drove my father said, "You feel those little vibrations and forces in the wheel? Those are very important, it called steering feedback and it lets you know what the front wheels are doing, where theyre pointed, and how much grip they have."

I feel like im lacking information when I drive with electric steering. And I dont even understand why we lose it, its just a different method of boosting the steering.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

My first Mun landing.

Do you play?

Yup. Had a fun space race with another player that ended with a Mun round trip. I am a little tired of it today because of all the waiting around for longer distance flights.

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Ill agree to a point. Its really satisfying to get 35 mpg out of a car that goes like stink. That being said, youre completely right. The fact that the M5 plays engine noises for you is ridiculous. The problem is a stupid one too.

Why is it that a one in 500 Ferrari needs provisions for a toddler's car seat in the USA?

Dont get me started on electric steering. I live with it everytime I drive the E. Ill say its very precise, but you get nothing back from it. The first time I got in a car and drove my father said, "You feel those little vibrations and forces in the wheel? Those are very important, it called steering feedback and it lets you know what the front wheels are doing, where theyre pointed, and how much grip they have."

I feel like im lacking information when I drive with electric steering. And I dont even understand why we lose it, its just a different method of boosting the steering.

Agreed completely.

I didn't find the BRZ EPS to be particularly good either. The odd part is that cars like the NSX and S2000 which are renowned for feedback had it, so in theory it is possible. The worst is when they add artificial weight to simulate feedback.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Yup. Had a fun space race with another player that ended with a Mun round trip. I am a little tired of it today because of all the waiting around for longer distance flights.

I installed some mods and im working on building a kethane mining operation on the Mun now. Its weird how easy it gets to be after the first time.

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Agreed completely.

I didn't find the BRZ EPS to be particularly good either. The odd part is that cars like the NSX and S2000 which are renowned for feedback had it, so in theory it is possible. The worst is when they add artificial weight to simulate feedback.

I didnt know that. Like I said, its a different method of boosting the steering, and I dont understand why its such a different experience.

[bradleyland]

EPS has the potential to be far better than hydraulically boosted steering assist.

Hydraulic systems use a pressure differential valve and a hydraulic ram to assist in steering. The pressure differential valve is calibrated to match input torque (how hard you twist the steering wheel) with assist, courtesy of pressurized hydraulic fluid fed to a ram. You can vary the assist by varying the pressure in the system, but the whole thing is more or less locked in to a set of parameters established by the mechanical design of the system.

Not to mention, all hydraulic systems have a large amount of parasitic drag. Moving the hydraulic ram requires additional effort above and beyond the effort required to turn the wheels.

An electronic system drives the steering components directly, and has far less parasitic drag when it's not offering assistance. In theory, you could turn off EPS through software, and you'd have manual steering with less additional effort than what would be required by disabling a hydraulic system. This means that EPS offers a much greater range of assist, and should (in theory) result in better overall steering feel.

The problem with current EPS systems is in the software. The upside is that software can be changed. I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen more software tuning for EPS "tuning", much like we do ECU tuning. The system has the potential to far exceed hydraulic systems, but we're stuck waiting on the software engineers to figure it out, and the execs to approve more aggressive tuning.