[Kayani_1]

This sounds like a nicest thing BMW has done since 1M. I hope they have a proper M hydraulic setup steering or they have the horrible EPS fixed in this racing M235i version.

Also, is it even going to be available for sale in NA market and is it street legal. Last but not least what will be the difference between this an M2.

[monkawekrue]

pretty legit vid. looks like it is gonna be a sexy ass car.

[Jay-K]

just wow.
kill me already. this is too good.

[dmboone25]

Does anyone else think that the amount of work being put into the M235 pretty much spells doom for the M2?

I mean we had a 135 and even a 135is, but nothing like this in "racing" form, and then the 1M was actually produced. Albeit in small numbers, but at least they made the damn thing.

The more "stuff" I see for the M235, the less likely an M2 seems, at least in my mind.

What they have done with the fenders is just awesome--same as they did with the 1M--it has made both cars take on a bulldog-type stance. The 2er looks a little sexier with the wider hips though...

This will be interesting to watch...

[Ghetto2315]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Does anyone else think that the amount of work being put into the M235 pretty much spells doom for the M2?

I mean we had a 135 and even a 135is, but nothing like this in "racing" form, and then the 1M was actually produced. Albeit in small numbers, but at least they made the damn thing.

The more "stuff" I see for the M235, the less likely an M2 seems, at least in my mind.

What they have done with the fenders is just awesome--same as they did with the 1M--it has made both cars take on a bulldog-type stance. The 2er looks a little sexier with the wider hips though...

This will be interesting to watch...

Good point. However, if the 2-Series (upcoming 2-Series GC as well) is meant to compete with the CLA, then I don't see how BMW will not make an M2. The M235i is clearly outmatched by the CLA45 AMG.

[M.barnes]

i think the M2 will still be limited edition and therefore not workable to make a race series offering off it. The m235i exists already so makes sense to get a year or so extra sales off a motorsport version too.

[datbimmerdoe]

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Does anyone else think that the amount of work being put into the M235 pretty much spells doom for the M2?

I mean we had a 135 and even a 135is, but nothing like this in "racing" form, and then the 1M was actually produced. Albeit in small numbers, but at least they made the damn thing.

The more "stuff" I see for the M235, the less likely an M2 seems, at least in my mind.

What they have done with the fenders is just awesome--same as they did with the 1M--it has made both cars take on a bulldog-type stance. The 2er looks a little sexier with the wider hips though...

This will be interesting to watch...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I think BMW left PLENTY of room for the M2 IMHO. This M235i racer doesn't seem to add all THAT much compared to a stock one.

Here's all the stuff that has not been used yet
- CF components such as the roof and trunk (seems like BMW is on a roll with real ///M's getting CF starting with M3/4)
- Real LSD with torque vectoring
- Real M interior (look at M3/4 seats)
- Aluminum hood and doors

I think just those items alone is more than enough to seperate an M235i to an M2. And I didn't even mention anything about the engine.

[golf_234]

Wow. Can't ignore this car. Might be my favorite bmw ever produced.

[///Mangler]

What are the homologation requirements now for touring racing? This is why they are doing it. The M2 is too far out and they want to enter something soon.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Does anyone else think that the amount of work being put into the M235 pretty much spells doom for the M2?

I mean we had a 135 and even a 135is, but nothing like this in "racing" form, and then the 1M was actually produced. Albeit in small numbers, but at least they made the damn thing.

The more "stuff" I see for the M235, the less likely an M2 seems, at least in my mind.

What they have done with the fenders is just awesome--same as they did with the 1M--it has made both cars take on a bulldog-type stance. The 2er looks a little sexier with the wider hips though...

This will be interesting to watch...

There's still plenty of room for an M2, as the M235i is meant as a straight replacement for the 135is. BMW can amortize the costs of developing the wider fenders of the M235i Racing onto the M2; add an LSD as a standard feature; add the F8X suspension, wheels, seats, and steering wheel; create a new set of front and rear bumpers; tighten up the steering; and tweak the interior a bit and boom: The F22 M2.

The only question is one of the engine. Scott said a few years ago that BMW would develop a 4-cylinder engine for the M2, and that seems like a big R&D spend if it's not going to be based on the N20. And even if it is, it'd probably cost BMW less money to take the N55 in the M235i and boost its output by about 7-10% and use that for the M2.

So in terms of market segmentation, I think there's plenty of room between the M235i and the M4 for an M2. As ever with BMW, it'll be a question of financials, and I think the biggest factor there is with the engine.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by aajami

There's still plenty of room for an M2, as the M235i is meant as a straight replacement for the 135is. BMW can amortize the costs of developing the wider fenders of the M235i Racing onto the M2; add an LSD as a standard feature; add the F8X suspension, wheels, seats, and steering wheel; create a new set of front and rear bumpers; tighten up the steering; and tweak the interior a bit and boom: The F22 M2.

The only question is one of the engine. Scott said a few years ago that BMW would develop a 4-cylinder engine for the M2, and that seems like a big R&D spend if it's not going to be based on the N20. And even if it is, it'd probably cost BMW less money to take the N55 in the M235i and boost its output by about 7-10% and use that for the M2.

So in terms of market segmentation, I think there's plenty of room between the M235i and the M4 for an M2. As ever with BMW, it'll be a question of financials, and I think the biggest factor there is with the engine.

quality post

at the end of the day I wouldn't be surprised to see a modified N55 engine (less so than the m3) as the centerpiece. making say around 375 hp or so.

just add a slightly bigger blower, some of the same anti lag programming tech as the m3, bigger and more robust cooling systems, and BAM, m2 engine.

I would be surprised to see a brand new expensive 4 cyl motor just for this car. it would be hard to justify over the n55 in the 235i

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by aajami

There's still plenty of room for an M2, as the M235i is meant as a straight replacement for the 135is. BMW can amortize the costs of developing the wider fenders of the M235i Racing onto the M2; add an LSD as a standard feature; add the F8X suspension, wheels, seats, and steering wheel; create a new set of front and rear bumpers; tighten up the steering; and tweak the interior a bit and boom: The F22 M2.

The only question is one of the engine. Scott said a few years ago that BMW would develop a 4-cylinder engine for the M2, and that seems like a big R&D spend if it's not going to be based on the N20. And even if it is, it'd probably cost BMW less money to take the N55 in the M235i and boost its output by about 7-10% and use that for the M2.

So in terms of market segmentation, I think there's plenty of room between the M235i and the M4 for an M2. As ever with BMW, it'll be a question of financials, and I think the biggest factor there is with the engine.

While agreeing, there is no "seems" about it. There is 0 chance of an M2 with a 4 cyl, when the 235 has the N55.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Good point. However, if the 2-Series (upcoming 2-Series GC as well) is meant to compete with the CLA, then I don't see how BMW will not make an M2. The M235i is clearly outmatched by the CLA45 AMG.

That makes a lot of sence!

[Cope]

Originally Posted by golf_234

While agreeing, there is no "seems" about it. There is 0 chance of an M2 with a 4 cyl, when the 235 has the N55.

What makes you say that?

The original M3 came with a 4 cylinder engine but you could have gotten a normal 3 series with an i6.

[malter2.0]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

Yeah, doesn't show anything...other than an actual car, with actual car noises, actually driving and moving. So stupid, right?

I wonder who that makes the tool.

welcome to internet.

[s4awd]

Ok. They have to make the M2....



6 speed from the 1M though

[Greenkirby21]

Originally Posted by s4awd

Ok. They have to make the M2....



6 speed from the 1M though

The 6 speed unit from the 1M is on the M235i

[markmatthews]

ugh, way too much music, prefer just having pure exhaust note + shifting farts for the entire duration of the video, or more!

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Does anyone else think that the amount of work being put into the M235 pretty much spells doom for the M2?

I mean we had a 135 and even a 135is, but nothing like this in "racing" form, and then the 1M was actually produced. Albeit in small numbers, but at least they made the damn thing.

The more "stuff" I see for the M235, the less likely an M2 seems, at least in my mind.

What they have done with the fenders is just awesome--same as they did with the 1M--it has made both cars take on a bulldog-type stance. The 2er looks a little sexier with the wider hips though...

This will be interesting to watch...

Well the main difference should be the weight and the engine. M2 should get, based on N48, the S48 whose race version is P48 (M4 DTM). The Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ is THE enthusiast car, despite low power. BMW have also cancelled the Z2, or if there will be one, it will be FWD. So BMW has only the M2. The other M is above M4.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Good point. However, if the 2-Series (upcoming 2-Series GC as well) is meant to compete with the CLA, then I don't see how BMW will not make an M2. The M235i is clearly outmatched by the CLA45 AMG.

I know what you're saying--I wonder if the idea might be that the 1M was a special moment to allow the "affordable" M car, and perhaps we won't see one for the 2er, outclassed or not by the rivals. Trust me, I am hoping for one, but this situation viewed from a certain angle is telling me no...

Originally Posted by W///

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I think BMW left PLENTY of room for the M2 IMHO. This M235i racer doesn't seem to add all THAT much compared to a stock one.

Here's all the stuff that has not been used yet
- CF components such as the roof and trunk (seems like BMW is on a roll with real ///M's getting CF starting with M3/4)
- Real LSD with torque vectoring
- Real M interior (look at M3/4 seats)
- Aluminum hood and doors

I think just those items alone is more than enough to seperate an M235i to an M2. And I didn't even mention anything about the engine.

I also agree with you, in that there's "room". If there was also a 235, as well as an M235, it would look a lot more crowded in this general segment for BMW. The thing that makes it different to me is that no LSD was offered on the 135 or 135is. The M235 is going to come with 325 BHP to begin with--you get a PPK and LSD on top of that, along with the performance exhaust and suspension and you have....a parted together M2.

To me, BMW doesn't offer all that stuff if they're going to go through the research and effort to make the M2. I hope I am wrong, but as exciting as those options are for the M235, they make me believe that it is less likely to have the M2 as well..

Originally Posted by aajami

There's still plenty of room for an M2, as the M235i is meant as a straight replacement for the 135is. BMW can amortize the costs of developing the wider fenders of the M235i Racing onto the M2; add an LSD as a standard feature; add the F8X suspension, wheels, seats, and steering wheel; create a new set of front and rear bumpers; tighten up the steering; and tweak the interior a bit and boom: The F22 M2.

The only question is one of the engine. Scott said a few years ago that BMW would develop a 4-cylinder engine for the M2, and that seems like a big R&D spend if it's not going to be based on the N20. And even if it is, it'd probably cost BMW less money to take the N55 in the M235i and boost its output by about 7-10% and use that for the M2.

So in terms of market segmentation, I think there's plenty of room between the M235i and the M4 for an M2. As ever with BMW, it'll be a question of financials, and I think the biggest factor there is with the engine.

Again I agree with you guys--I am just being a bit skeptical. Something I also thought of is this:

M235--325 BHP
M235 w/PPK--~355 BHP
M2--???? 375 BHP or substantial CFRP for weight loss
M3/M4--420 BHP, but heavier than the 2er.

I agree that there's room, but arent you willing to "spring" for an M3/M4 and the higher price tag if there's no M2? Isn't that a "lot" of cars in a particular range for BMW? Devil's Advocate here, but could be a little too crowded...we shall see...

Just something to think about...

Originally Posted by Levi

Well the main difference should be the weight and the engine. M2 should get, based on N48, the S48 whose race version is P48 (M4 DTM). The Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ is THE enthusiast car, despite low power. BMW have also cancelled the Z2, or if there will be one, it will be FWD. So BMW has only the M2. The other M is above M4.

I am not familiar with the N48--what BMW is that engine currently in?

You make a good point about the M2 being "the" enthusiast's car in the BMW lineup...but can they make it with the right amount of weight, power, handling, and materials--all at a price point that makes sense--with the M3/M4 being right around the price and power corner?

Remains to be seen...but I am hoping...

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am not familiar with the N48--what BMW is that engine currently in?

You make a good point about the M2 being "the" enthusiast's car in the BMW lineup...but can they make it with the right amount of weight, power, handling, and materials--all at a price point that makes sense--with the M3/M4 being right around the price and power corner?

Remains to be seen...but I am hoping...

N48 is the 4 cylinder version of N38. Has yet to make its debut with N58 too. I'm wondering why S55 is not in fact an S58.

M2 will not be the only car to be powered by an M 4 cylinder engine. Note that new 7 Series might get 4 cylinders as entry level, and new 5 Series might get 3 cylinders as entry level. Has to be confirmed though.