[949]

i hope the cup holder is better. i do like how they fixed them on the new 3 series.

[ecaedus]

Originally Posted by Ramos

So I went on BMWUSA and built a 2013 135is optioned out but not fully loaded as follows:

Base MSRP ---- $43,250
Metallic paint ---- $550
Premium --- $2,400
Tech package -- $2,350
heated front seats -- $500
Manual 6 MT --- $0
Destination ------ $925

Total MSRP ---- $49,975

This reinforces the premise that the M235 with the same common options will be around $50K
While I don't think they will raise the price too much compared to the 135is, I do not think they will lower it either, regardless of whether there is a standard 235 on offer or not.

So again figure $44-45K base, $50K with Premium and tech
Personally, I think the M2 will be the better value and obviously the better car in terms of performance at least.

agreed. but i don't think the M2 is going to be a better value than M235i, similarly equipped 335is vs current M3 yields a price difference of $12k.

the loaded M235i w/ AT, prem, sport pack, tech, etc is going to come close to a base M2 w/ manual.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by ecaedus

agreed. but i don't think the M2 is going to be a better value than M235i, similarly equipped 335is vs current M3 yields a price difference of $12k.

the loaded M235i w/ AT, prem, sport pack, tech, etc is going to come close to a base M2 w/ manual.

The 335is offers better value proposition than the M3, however the 1M was definitely better value than the 135is at a base price of $47K (only $4K more than the 135is), you just couldn't get one !!

[RPM90]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/next-bm...of-cla-and-a3/

If this has been posted, please forgive me.

[Uptempo80]

I wonder how much a 235i (or M235i) would be in convertible pricing.

My 11' 128i convertible was 44k.

I think the base price for a 128i convertible was $36-$37k

What should I expect to pay for a 228i convertible or the m235i convertible?
Any ideas guys?


On a side note: I just got a NEW F30 320i non x-drive on Wednesday to use until the 2 series vert comes out. I'm planning on getting model year 2017 in July 2016.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Ramos

The 335is offers better value proposition than the M3, however the 1M was definitely better value than the 135is at a base price of $47K (only $4K more than the 135is), you just couldn't get one !!

Yeah....I paid just over 48k for my 1M. I built a 135 with certain packages to make it fairly even with the 1M and their prices were actually pretty close.

I think the M2 is going to be a bargain especially when compared to the M3/4. It will have 99% of the M4 performance for 60% of the price.

[vinny84]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Yeah....I paid just over 48k for my 1M. I built a 135 with certain packages to make it fairly even with the 1M and their prices were actually pretty close.

I think the M2 is going to be a bargain especially when compared to the M3/4. It will have 99% of the M4 performance for 60% of the price.

I don't think the M2 will be a bargain per se. The only reason the 1M was a bargain is because they were using current parts already in production (M3) close to the end of its product cycle.

Now that they know how successful the M2 will probably be, the price will be higher and the performance won't be as close as the 1M was to the M3. The M235i will probably cost the same as the 1M did, maybe a little higher fully optioned.

I also think they will either just bump up the power from the M235i motor or they will put a 4 cylinder turbo with similar technology from the M3/M4 (tri-turbo?) with the use of CFRP

That's just what I think though

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by vinny84

I don't think the M2 will be a bargain per se. The only reason the 1M was a bargain is because they were using current parts already in production (M3) close to the end of its product cycle.

Now that they know how successful the M2 will probably be, the price will be higher and the performance won't be as close as the 1M was to the M3. The M235i will probably cost the same as the 1M did, maybe a little higher fully optioned.

I also think they will either just bump up the power from the M235i motor or they will put a 4 cylinder turbo with similar technology from the M3/M4 (tri-turbo?) with the use of CFRP

That's just what I think though

You may be right. We will see. I'm hoping they just put the M3/M4 engine in it.

[ecaedus]

right now if you price out a 135is with DCT, prem, tech it costs around $51K, add another $1k on top of that due to inflation and "M" branding, i'm thinking $52K for a loaded M235i

it's quite insane since a loaded 335i M-sport auto, tech, prem, blah... cost around $56K but if you compare it with a 435i M-sport then suddenly M235i looks like the bargain of the century

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by ecaedus

right now if you price out a 135is with DCT, prem, tech it costs around $51K, add another $1k on top of that due to inflation and "M" branding, i'm thinking $52K for a loaded M235i

it's quite insane since a loaded 335i M-sport auto, tech, prem, blah... cost around $56K but if you compare it with a 435i M-sport then suddenly M235i looks like the bargain of the century

Fair assessment. Just keep in mind when we throw around our guesstimates, some of us are thinking 'base' price, and some are thinking what it would be fully loaded.

To me, when someone asks how much it will cost, the true comparison should be the base prices, because different drivers want different options.
I don't do all the tech stuff, and BMW's options pricing is on the high side.
Whether you get Nav in a 1/2 series or a 3/4 series the price differences aren't that big. That's why when you fully option one of these cars all of a sudden the price difference doesn't seem as high.

A current F30 328i Msport nearly loaded is only about $3000 more than a same optioned 335i Msport, because of the options to build them both the same. Base pricing is greater because the 328i doesn't include items that are standard on the 335i. When you add those items to the 328i the price difference shrinks.

So to build a nice driving BMW at a "reasonable" for a BMW price point, try and keep the options to a minimum.
Typically I simply opt for the Premium pkg, upgraded audio, and then decide which options may/will increase performance and that's it.
Adding tech pkgs, parking assist, HUD's, NAV, etc... raises the price a good amount. For me, those things don't add anything to the performance, which for me IS the reason I choose BMW.
I do understand that other's want and like the tech and luxury options, and that's fine, it's their money and their choice, nothing wrong with that.
I just think that when make a guesstimate on pricing it makes more sense to stick to base pricing as that is the price anyone will pay for the same car.
Options and their cost are added by want and need and looking at a fully loaded model makes the price look higher than it 'can' be.

Seems most of our guesses are pretty close considering the options we would get.

[RPM90]

Here is an interesting price comparison between the current 1 series coupe offerings. I did it for fun, but it took a bit of work.
I'm doing base models and nearly fully optioned variants.
This is a long post, but I had the time and it's been fun doing it.

Base: No cost Alpine white, MT
Had to add the $500 anthracite trim, because 135i/135iS include it as base fro no added cost for any of the trims.

128i - $32,625 $500 added for anthracite trim. - $500 w/no cost trim option.
135i - $40,225
135iS - $44,175

Price difference between 128i and 135i - $7600
Price difference between 128i and 135iS- $11,550
Price difference between 135i and 135iS- $3950

Equally optioned top model within variant: Added cost color $500, MT, Msport, no accessories, no "safety" options:
128i - $43,350
135i - $48,200 added $500 heated seats to match 128i 'cold pkg.'
135iS - $50,850

Price difference between 128i Msport and 135i Msport - $4850
Price difference between 128i Msport and 135iS - $7500
Price difference between 135i Msport and 135iS - $2650
The base 128i goes up by $10,725, or, nearly 33% more in options to get a nearly loaded Msport.
But, you do get fog lights, which the 135i can't get.

The base 135i goes up by $7975, or, around 19.75% to get a nearly loaded
Msport.

135i base to nearly loaded 135iS goes up by $6675, or around 15%.

From loaded 135i Msport to equally optioned 135iS the price goes up
by $2650, or about 5.5%.

As you can see the price differences shrink when you add options and equal them up for content.

The new 228i will get a nice power boost over the current 128i, just like the
F30 328i has over the E90 328i.
I think BMW wanted and needed to give a greater boost for the larger more expensive engine variant and decided to add the PPK to what would have been a 235i with an Msport pkg look, so instead of a 235i they offer an
M235i. More people will buy the 228i over the M235i, but the M235i is needed to draw attention to the new 2 series. A M235i fits that role nicely.

In reality the M235i is still a 235i with Msport and a MPPK. It's a great deal closer to a 228i with Msport than it is to an M2.
That's why I see the price difference between the two 2 series variants as being similar to the pricing between the 128i and 135i and not the 135iS.
I could be wrong, but I hope I'm right cause I don't think I'd pay a much larger price difference. I would be very happy with a 228i Msport after having tested that engine multiple times in the F30 328i.

Current base price difference between the 128i and 135i is pretty substantial as is. If the price difference for the 2 series is more like a difference between a 128i and 135iS that will make it a very tough call.
Some think that would be great cause they may get a better deal on an
M235i. But I don't see that BMW would think that's so great.
They want to sell cars and they want to sell them a profitable prices.
Having to sell cars at a substantial discount won't bode well for continuing to evolve the line.

Would you pay $7500 more for an
M235i over a 228i Msport with equal options?
Right now the price diff between a 128i Msport and 135i Msport is
only $4850. That's a good bit less than $7550.
And that's for loaded up cars where the cost difference drops. Most buyers don't load up a 1 series, not even a 3 series.
What about $11,550 more for a base
M235i over a base 228i?

After all that writing and configuring and calculating, all will be revealed hopefully soon.

[Rupes]

I have a 328i E92 today and have had my eye on the M235, but for that big of a price difference, I think I'd go Msport 228i. Is the Msport even an option on the 228, do we know for sure?

[hector]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Here is an interesting price comparison between the current 1 series coupe offerings...
The new 228i will get a nice power boost over the current 128i, just like the
F30 328i has over the E90 328i...
In reality the M235i is still a 235i with Msport and a MPPK. It's a great deal closer to a 228i with Msport than it is to an M2.
That's why I see the price difference between the two 2 series variants as being similar to the pricing between the 128i and 135i and not the 135iS.
I could be wrong, but I hope I'm right cause I don't think I'd pay a much larger price difference. I would be very happy with a 228i Msport after having tested that engine multiple times in the F30 328i...Right now the price diff between a 128i Msport and 135i Msport is
only $4850. That's a good bit less than $7550.
...

nice analysis, thx! i agree with your assessment of what the price difference should be based on the difference in performance. personally, i'm leaning towards the 228 which as you point out is pretty powerful in it's own right; coming out of a 128 with 230hp/200ft-lbs.(which i actually turned in 2 years ago), and currently
out of a focus se hatch with 160 hp/146ft-lbs., i think that i'll be very appreciative of the 240hp/260ft-lbs. in the 228, not that i couldn't be tempted by the 235 if the value proposition is reasonable. btw, do we know the torque figure(i hope that Swamp doesn't see this, lol) for the 235m sport(i've only seen the 315hp number). at the risk of dredging up a hp vs tq debate i'm not afraid to say that i'd be more tempted by 315/340 than by 315/315.

[SwampCat84]

I am VERY interested in the 228.... I cant wait til it hits the US.. gonna possibly trade the F30 for it... I love my F30, but I prefer a smaller car.... I was looking into the 128i when I got my F30, but I wanted the turbo...

[Uneedthis2]

Originally Posted by SwampCat84

I am VERY interested in the 228.... I cant wait til it hits the US.. gonna possibly trade the F30 for it... I love my F30, but I prefer a smaller car.... I was looking into the 128i when I got my F30, but I wanted the turbo...

As long as the 2 series is larger than the 1 and around the size of the e46 then I'm 100% in! I'm already on the list and just waiting now.
Don't sell yourself short, get the m235!!!

[e85sbm]

Thank you for the analysis and write-up.

Really looks like the 228i might be good value ofr the money (especially if you don't make it fully loaded).

Does anyone know if there will be an xDrive model on the 228i and the M235i?

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by SwampCat84

I am VERY interested in the 228.... I cant wait til it hits the US.. gonna possibly trade the F30 for it... I love my F30, but I prefer a smaller car.... I was looking into the 128i when I got my F30, but I wanted the turbo...

you wanted the turbo? then you should have bought a 135.