[pz619]

Honestly I think no effect. Sure you'll have some owners trade up. But I also see people coming in off the street wanting a M2 only to be told that they will have to pay MSRP or more to get it. I think quite a few of those people might settle for a M235i.

Just my guess though.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

In my experience, you need four (maybe three) mods to track the car properly: camber plates (or LCAs); LSD; brake fluid, and maybe (if you are a more advanced driver) upgraded brake pads. The rest is gravy.

The last thing you need is more power (although it is fun). I was up around 140 on the front straight at Willow Springs with a stock motor. Any faster and you should be in a caged race car - that shit is frightening.

Wow 140mph on the front straight on a stock motor is impressive. Curious what your lap time is and what your speed is at the turn 9 apex.

[MisterGoober]

So i'm new here. I don't own either car and have been shopping over the last few weeks. The 2-Series is on my list.

-None of my local dealers have 6spds, meaning i'd have to order
-While the M2 is MSRP with the manual is $54.5k (metallic paint and executive)

I was going to say the M235i is less attractive, but taking discounts into consideration, there's still a good $6-7k gap if not more. There's some cachet to the M badge, and a limited number of M2s as well. For me, the M2 is looking very attractive.

Next year will be interesting assuming the M2 stays N55/S55 based and the M240i is B58 based.

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Wow 140mph on the front straight on a stock motor is impressive. Curious what your lap time is and what your speed is at the turn 9 apex.

Not as fast as you would think.

At the time (and still now, really) I was a very novice track driver. Also, I did not have a LSD at the time (I do now), so the car was pretty sketchy in the rear at the limit of grip. Turn 2 and 6-8 complex was pretty damn scary.

I think I usually hit turn 9 apex at around 90. I think, on a really good run, I was between 135-140 on the front straight. My times were around 1:40, which is decent for a novice driver in a street car on that course.

I haven't been back in a long while. Frankly, that track scares the crap out of me. It's too fast unless you're in a caged car. Yeah, there is a lot of runoff room, but you're hitting the desert at 110+ most of the time. I'd rather do Streets of Willow or Buttonwillow.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

Not as fast as you would think.

At the time (and still now, really) I was a very novice track driver. Also, I did not have a LSD at the time (I do now), so the car was pretty sketchy in the rear at the limit of grip. Turn 2 and 6-8 complex was pretty damn scary.

I think I usually hit turn 9 apex at around 90. I think, on a really good run, I was between 135-140 on the front straight. My times were around 1:40, which is decent for a novice driver in a street car on that course.

I haven't been back in a long while. Frankly, that track scares the crap out of me. It's too fast unless you're in a caged car. Yeah, there is a lot of runoff room, but you're hitting the desert at 110+ most of the time. I'd rather do Streets of Willow or Buttonwillow.

Hard to believe you hit close to 140mph on the front straight and apex turn 9 at 90mph but only manage a 1:40.


The desert tracks are not safe at all in my opinion. Big Willow and Streets used to be my favorite tracks, but now Autoclub is my go to track. Higher speeds, but maintained way better with less chance of rollover if you go off....just watch out for the walls.

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Hard to believe you hit close to 140mph on the front straight and apex turn 9 at 90mph but only manage a 1:40.


The desert tracks are not safe at all in my opinion. Big Willow and Streets used to be my favorite tracks, but now Autoclub is my go to track. Higher speeds, but maintained way better with less chance of rollover if you go off....just watch out for the walls.

Yeah, I know, but I was slow as molasses the rest of the track. I was as surprised as you are, but the GoPro doesn't lie (you could see the speedo on the video).

[rti35]

Not at all. I don't find the M2 even close to enough of an upgrade on an M235i.. Not to mention that once comparably equipped to an M235i and the dealer markup on the M2, there are better performance vehicles in that price range by quite a bit.

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

Yeah, I know, but I was slow as molasses the rest of the track. I was as surprised as you are, but the GoPro doesn't lie (you could see the speedo on the video).

Ever drive Buttonwillow? That is my favorite track.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

Ever drive Buttonwillow? That is my favorite track.

I have not actually. Every time I've had it scheduled something comes up.

On big willow you should be low 1:30s based on your turn 9 speed and mph on the front straight. Just need to learn the rest of the track. For most people turn 8/9 is the challenge so you're already there. The other place people have a hard time with is the Omega. Lots of people take the wrong line there.

Good video on YouTube from a Porsche driver that explains the same line I take. I used to do 1:33.xx in my FBO EvoX there. I would hit 128/9 mph on the front straight and low 90s mph at the apex of turn 9. Took my Audi TT and RX8 there back in the day too. Never got times for them though.

I don't track as much as I used to. Once I get the 235 situated I will probably only do about 2 a year. I used to track quite a bit for the last 10 years or so.

Sorry to side track the post.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by rainfall

I am on the market for a new or used M235i for a while. I had gotten consistently quotes for new at like 5% below msrp assuming no trade-in and just last week, some dealers I have been talking with knocked an additional 1k for just one weekend and went back on to 5% off.
So other than that small blip down, I didn't see a whole lot of changes in the new market.

I have also seen a few ppl trying to sell their M235is to potentially get an M2 or M3

Let me know if you're still in the market. I have a neat 2015 ED EBII M235i with 6500 miles and some C-Quartz on it.

[maxiedaniels]

I'm trying to gauge the quote I got for an m235i, it's not much better than the M2.

[rainfall]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Let me know if you're still in the market. I have a neat 2015 ED EBII M235i with 6500 miles and some C-Quartz on it.

manual??