[amw896]

Guys, just got quoted approx 9hrs labour for this install. Seems a bit high to me. Anyone else have some input?

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by amw896

Guys, just got quoted approx 9hrs labour for this install. Seems a bit high to me. Anyone else have some input?

I have not had it done personally. I think that sounds about right.

Maybe if the shop is very familiar with it then it would be less.

[SeanWRT]

Having it done in 9 hours require a very skillful installer and that's even excluding road testing. It took more than half a day for my mechanic to install STG1 and DV+ (though we weren't in a rush, had plenty of time), where you don't have to take off anything other than water pump.

My suggestion would be find someone who has experience and doesn't have to figure out how when working on your car.

[amw896]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Having it done in 9 hours require a very skillful installer and that's even excluding road testing. It took more than half a day for my mechanic to install STG1 and DV+ (though we weren't in a rush, had plenty of time), where you don't have to take off anything other than water pump.

My suggestion would be find someone who has experience and doesn't have to figure out how when working on your car.

Thanks again for your input Sean! So, just to touch on a few points, the quote I got this from is from a very reputable indy shop that's always done mods on this car and previous cars. The owner sits on a local Porsche pit crew team in the area and always has high end builds in the shop. I've never had to question his work or integrity. He quoted me for factory OEM turbo replacement because that's what I was told was involved for install by one of the forum vendors. He did mention it was definitely ballpark and doesn't account for any issues that arise. This is the first time I'm digging this deep into modding so even I didn't realize that there would be lots of road testing involved. I thought it was more or less bolt up....

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

It sounds pretty reasonable for a a shop to charge book time on a turbo install.

[SerenVoX]

I was quoted $1500 for PS2 install and the fuel it PI kit form a reputable shop that has done PS2 installs on N55s before.. Another shop that services many euros and high end cars quoted me $1600 for just PS2 kit and then $2800 total for PS2 and the fueling! So needless to say you know who I will be going with. I'm not sure but the first shops sounds fair considering I'm really not sure how much labor usually is priced for this kit

[usabia]

Originally Posted by amw896

Guys, just got quoted approx 9hrs labour for this install. Seems a bit high to me. Anyone else have some input?

I assume the quote you got is for replacing or modding the engine Turbo??



I looked into Stage 4 Dinan with a big turbo. Quote 10 hours just for labor on the install.
The way the Dinan shop i go to made it sound. Its like you damn near have to remove (or fully remove) the entire engine from the vehicle to get to the Turbo... so 9 hours doesnt sound unreasonable.

hope that helps

[Anthony235]

Our local shop is considerbly less. They have done quite a few installs. I believe they are an authorized dealer for Pure also.

Installation pricing:

$800 if you supply the turbo(s)
or
$650 if you purchase the turbo(s) from SSR Performance

Mike @ SSR Performance SSR Performance

[harkes]

9 hours is good. Took my shop around 11 hours - never done the install before.

[amw896]

Thanks for the feedback fellas. My shop is kind of concerned about the core return and remanufactured turbos.

Are they all refabs? Are Vargas units brand new units? I've heard good things about the Pure setup so I never really second guessed it.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by amw896

Thanks for the feedback fellas. My shop is kind of concerned about the core return and remanufactured turbos.

Are they all refabs? Are Vargas units brand new units? I've heard good things about the Pure setup so I never really second guessed it.

Pure turbos are top notch, nothing to be worried about.
Tell your shop these are the most proven turbo for your car

[Dylan86]

What are you planning for tuning/fuel?

I've been seeing some folks running a PS2 "hardware" setup, with JB4 as the tune (custom?) and just the LPFP upgrade. If it's around 4-420whp with this, I'd be pretty convinced it's better than running a full tilt. Any thoughts, on that?

I see this happening in winter of next year, for me, but the primary goal is to reach 420whp on pump gas and no Meth. Otherwise I'll keep stock turbo, get a flash tune and run meth on top to achieve my goals. Anything more will disrupt the balance of the car, in my opinion. Great to have available power for 1/4 mile or highway pulls, though..

[amw896]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

What are you planning for tuning/fuel?

I've been seeing some folks running a PS2 "hardware" setup, with JB4 as the tune (custom?) and just the LPFP upgrade. If it's around 4-420whp with this, I'd be pretty convinced it's better than running a full tilt. Any thoughts, on that?

I see this happening in winter of next year, for me, but the primary goal is to reach 420whp on pump gas and no Meth. Otherwise I'll keep stock turbo, get a flash tune and run meth on top to achieve my goals. Anything more will disrupt the balance of the car, in my opinion. Great to have available power for 1/4 mile or highway pulls, though..

Currently running 370/420 to the wheels with FBO and BM3 stage 2 91 octane tune. I'd like to stay on stock fueling if possible. Even 93 is tough to get here. I was hoping the turbo upgrade would bring me to about 450 without additional fueling.

[Raymondo1234]

No point in upgrading the lpfp, it's the hpfp that's the limiting factor. Port injection is an option, but I think I'm going to pull the trigger and just run 93 gas, which is available where I am. Around 450 whp is perfect for my needs.

At the moment I'm FBO with a custom flash tune from frank smith tuning. Car is around the 380 mark.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by amw896

Currently running 370/420 to the wheels with FBO and BM3 stage 2 91 octane tune. I'd like to stay on stock fueling if possible. Even 93 is tough to get here. I was hoping the turbo upgrade would bring me to about 450 without additional fueling.

Yea that would be great power, but not for $2-3K of extra mods to the fuel system, imo. Does BM3 have a tune for PS2 on stock fuel system?

Where abouts are you in Onterrible? (I joke, grew up there). I used to have a lot of access to the Petro 94, but I believe it has ethanol ? Either way I ran that stuff steady in all of my cars, without an issue. If you're in a smaller market I could see that being an issue. I couldn't get more than 91, here, until Chevron took over a couple of Shell stations, now have 94oct ethanol free in two local locations and all large markets.

To think this is a "problem", we have a good life in front of us, lol..

[amw896]

Onterrible! That's awesome and it's true. I'm in Windsor. Shitty gas and even shittier speeding laws. Back on topic though.....BM3 does have different off the shelf maps for various octane levels and even upgraded turbos. We do have the petro 94 but it is loaded with ethanol. The few times I ran it, the car would sputter on starts and I had really crappy fuel economy and it never even felt a bit more responsive. I normally run shell 91 because 0 ethanol and it normally runs great.

Talking to other modders in the area is mixed as well. Some scream by 0 ethanol shell 91 and the others only go for max octane.....I don't know. I might do some additional testing when I bring my car out again in the spring but so far, not loving the ethanol.

Originally Posted by Dylan86

Yea that would be great power, but not for $2-3K of extra mods to the fuel system, imo. Does BM3 have a tune for PS2 on stock fuel system?

Where abouts are you in Onterrible? (I joke, grew up there). I used to have a lot of access to the Petro 94, but I believe it has ethanol ? Either way I ran that stuff steady in all of my cars, without an issue. If you're in a smaller market I could see that being an issue. I couldn't get more than 91, here, until Chevron took over a couple of Shell stations, now have 94oct ethanol free in two local locations and all large markets.

To think this is a "problem", we have a good life in front of us, lol..

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

What are you planning for tuning/fuel?

I've been seeing some folks running a PS2 "hardware" setup, with JB4 as the tune (custom?) and just the LPFP upgrade. If it's around 4-420whp with this, I'd be pretty convinced it's better than running a full tilt. Any thoughts, on that?

I see this happening in winter of next year, for me, but the primary goal is to reach 420whp on pump gas and no Meth. Otherwise I'll keep stock turbo, get a flash tune and run meth on top to achieve my goals. Anything more will disrupt the balance of the car, in my opinion. Great to have available power for 1/4 mile or highway pulls, though..

for 420 no meth or pi, your going to need a turbo upgrade for sure. You can hit 420 on meth and stock turbo.

You can get to 400-410 on stock turbo, stock fuel but with lots of octane and a great tune. Highly doubt jb4 will do it, so flash would be ur only option.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by amw896

Onterrible! That's awesome and it's true. I'm in Windsor. Shitty gas and even shittier speeding laws. Back on topic though.....BM3 does have different off the shelf maps for various octane levels and even upgraded turbos. We do have the petro 94 but it is loaded with ethanol. The few times I ran it, the car would sputter on starts and I had really crappy fuel economy and it never even felt a bit more responsive. I normally run shell 91 because 0 ethanol and it normally runs great.

Talking to other modders in the area is mixed as well. Some scream by 0 ethanol shell 91 and the others only go for max octane.....I don't know. I might do some additional testing when I bring my car out again in the spring but so far, not loving the ethanol.

Good to know, can't wait to see how things pan out for you, power wise. What is the ultimate goal with your PS2 setup? And Windsor is not a bad spot, at all!

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

for 420 no meth or pi, your going to need a turbo upgrade for sure. You can hit 420 on meth and stock turbo.

You can get to 400-410 on stock turbo, stock fuel but with lots of octane and a great tune. Highly doubt jb4 will do it, so flash would be ur only option.

I do plan on moving to a flash tune before I jump to PS2, for sure. That alone may sway me to hold off on PS2, but hard to say until I try the power out at the track. The last thing I want to do is disrupt the balance and grip with too much power.. I suppose that's what a boost controller is for lol

[bryan_G01]

road track or drag track?

You dont want a ps2 setup for road track, youll burn those things up in no time.

ps2 is a solid product, but many people are already on their 2nd or 3rd set from just doing hard drag and roll racing.

[amw896]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

road track or drag track?

You dont want a ps2 setup for road track, youll burn those things up in no time.

ps2 is a solid product, but many people are already on their 2nd or 3rd set from just doing hard drag and roll racing.

Really?! My tuner expressed some concern as well. I don't really understand the reasons though. Is there a better brand? I mean, if this is case, I might just stay on stock turbo.

[bryan_G01]

road track puts extreme wear on your parts. your going to be spinning that turbo the entire lap for a 20 minute session or longer. It will burn out very soon. Its a good part, but its not oem. Its like when people put 600hp in a car that started with 300 and wonder why things break. It wasn't designed for that purpose.

if you are thinking about running track days, or open laps, I personally wouldn't even think about a ps2. Which is why i haven't added pi/meth/ or upgraded turbos. That and I already had the upgrade in my n54 and couldnt stand the unreliability.

The car in stock form has enough power to over take most v8 cars on the track.

Concentrate on your safety/wheel/tire/brake and suspension setup. And most importantly, your driving skills before you add all go fast mods.

[SeanWRT]

Reliability with PS2 comes down to how much boost is thrown at it. PS2 runs a lot cooler than stock turbo under same boost and is not necessarily less durable even with its hot side bored out.

But you're right, ps2 owners tend to push, failure happens when they're making way more power than turbo is designed for.