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      10-31-2017, 01:12 PM   #1
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Fbo + meth + pure stage 1

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I recently bought the bms meth kit and stage 1 from pureturbo. I was just wondering more or less how many whp and torque could I get from adding meth and the stage 1? With fbo (catless dp, cp, intercooler, intake, dv, mpe and jb4 map 5) my numbers were 373whp and 400wtq on 98oct.
Also, what map should I run with meth and stage 1?
Would I be able to keep up with a stock m4?
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Almost positive the n55 is not capable of running against a s55 without a turbo upgrade. I'm FBO with BM3 tune and got absolutely walked from a roll against a stock m4. I'm pushing 370/420 to the wheels and got rekt 3 times consecutively. The longer the race, the bigger the difference. The s55 is on another level. You might be able to keep pace for a while if you have awd and the m4 can't catch grip.
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Almost positive the n55 is not capable of running against a s55 without a turbo upgrade. I'm FBO with BM3 tune and got absolutely walked from a roll against a stock m4. I'm pushing 370/420 to the wheels and got rekt 3 times consecutively. The longer the race, the bigger the difference. The s55 is on another level. You might be able to keep pace for a while if you have awd and the m4 can't catch grip.

Just putting it out there that i raced my buddies comp pack f80 and he didnt get any more than a car out on me from 40-120. we did 3 rolls and every time was almost exactly the same. so that scenario above im giving it to driver error lmao.

so out of my experience i can see you staying with or maybe even pulling slightly on a stock s55 car just my 0.02
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Just putting it out there that i raced my buddies comp pack f80 and he didnt get any more than a car out on me from 40-120. we did 3 rolls and every time was almost exactly the same. so that scenario above im giving it to driver error lmao.

so out of my experience i can see you staying with or maybe even pulling slightly on a stock s55 car just my 0.02
I was about 2 lengths behind by about the same speed, maybe 200kph. Like I said rekt. Not sure where you're going but the non comp m4 is known to put down 420/410 stock to the wheels. I guess with tune, race gas, meth and all the other jazz (minus turbo) you can get close. Close, but I highly doubt you will ever be faster without an upgraded turbo.

Here's an m2 with tune getting slaughtered by the s55 for your viewing delight.


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Just putting it out there that i raced my buddies comp pack f80 and he didnt get any more than a car out on me from 40-120. we did 3 rolls and every time was almost exactly the same. so that scenario above im giving it to driver error lmao.

so out of my experience i can see you staying with or maybe even pulling slightly on a stock s55 car just my 0.02
I was about 2 lengths behind by about the same speed, maybe 200kph. Like I said rekt. Not sure where you're going but the non comp m4 is known to put down 420/410 stock to the wheels. I guess with tune, race gas, meth and all the other jazz (minus turbo) you can get close. Close, but I highly doubt you will ever be faster without an upgraded turbo.
Yea he was about 1/2 to a car out on me to pure stage 1 and meth ill see it pulling on a m3/4
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Last Friday, me and my friends did street drag race. Mine is M2 with FBO (no meth) and STG1 Turbo on BM3 custom tune, but on stock tire PSS 50% left.
My friend - M4 ZCP stock, on Cup2 new tire.

We just floored it from stand still without launch control, because DCT do not allow repeated LC. M4 ZCP is half a car length ahead off the line and I kept up until on 4th gear (170kph or so) when we have to brake. We did this like 6 or 7 times, same outcome as video below shows.

Cup2 tire really completes M4 ZCP. It is so planted, putting down 400+rwhp. M2 is supposed to have better traction stock for stock, but his cup2 is just like cheating...no spin at all and I had traction issue even with PSS heated up to 100F.

We believe upgrading to Cup2, I can at least tie the game or even have a slight edge.

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Last Friday, me and my friends did street drag race. Mine is M2 with FBO (no meth) and STG1 Turbo on BM3 custom tune, but on stock tire PSS 50% left.
My friend - M4 ZCP stock, on Cup2 new tire.

We just floored it from stand still without launch control, because DCT do not allow repeated LC. M4 ZCP is half a car length ahead off the line and I kept up until on 4th gear (170kph or so) when we have to brake. We did this like 6 or 7 times, same outcome as video below shows.

Cup2 tire really completes M4 ZCP. It is so planted, 400+rwhp and there is no tire spin at all, even from still. M2 is supposed to have better traction advantage stock for stock, but PSS is far inferior to cup2 and I had serious traction issue.

We believe upgrading to Cup2, I can at least tie the game or even have a slight edge.

Nice!! Your m2 build is awesome dude. I have to check out those cup 2 tires. I mean I used to think I had traction issues on my 235 until I drove buddies non comp m4. That car has some serious issues putting the power down on stock tires.
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Nice!! Your m2 build is awesome dude. I have to check out those cup 2 tires. I mean I used to think I had traction issues on my 235 until I drove buddies non comp m4. That car has some serious issues putting the power down on stock tires.
Yea the S55's are hard to tame on PSS's, even. My friends stock M4 had traction issues and got pronounced when we took him to FBO/Meth levels. He now runs a Cup2 295 in the rear and a one size up 265 PSS up front, and man o man is that car ever planted, now, the difference is insane!

That said, I do have a new set of Cup2's in 235/40 that I was going to run on my 18x9's for the track, maybe I'll just run them on the street instead
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I was about 2 lengths behind by about the same speed, maybe 200kph. Like I said rekt. Not sure where you're going but the non comp m4 is known to put down 420/410 stock to the wheels. I guess with tune, race gas, meth and all the other jazz (minus turbo) you can get close. Close, but I highly doubt you will ever be faster without an upgraded turbo.

Here's an m2 with tune getting slaughtered by the s55 for your viewing delight.

Video above M2 is not a great example of BM3, he has some type of jb4 involved not sure why or how, but its not running right I know the owner and car is not even 80% good lol. Car will get gapped by F80 due to reasons 6MT m2 slower than DCT F80 tuned.

I agree with f22_shayan might have to do with Driver

I myself can testify stock ZCP F80 on MPSS against my Boat from 30-100 (i was fender ahead), now with Toyo R888 E30 still stock we were even until 110 where his aerodynamics took the win.

M2, M235 Tuned stock turbo can't keep up with Tuned F80, Stock yes and should beat it.


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Yeah idk running jb4 with 3 gals of e85 I wasn’t getting wimped on too badly by a buddies M4. I mean he was pulling but not by too much
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Yeah idk running jb4 with 3 gals of e85 I wasn’t getting wimped on too badly by a buddies M4. I mean he was pulling but not by too much
yea pretty much what happened with me, except for the e85 lol, he got me by about 1/2 - 1 car on each run
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Almost positive the n55 is not capable of running against a s55 without a turbo upgrade. I'm FBO with BM3 tune and got absolutely walked from a roll against a stock m4. I'm pushing 370/420 to the wheels and got rekt 3 times consecutively. The longer the race, the bigger the difference. The s55 is on another level. You might be able to keep pace for a while if you have awd and the m4 can't catch grip.
Yeah but I will upgrade the turbo to stage 1 + meth. Still no chance to win with those mods?
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I was about 2 lengths behind by about the same speed, maybe 200kph. Like I said rekt. Not sure where you're going but the non comp m4 is known to put down 420/410 stock to the wheels. I guess with tune, race gas, meth and all the other jazz (minus turbo) you can get close. Close, but I highly doubt you will ever be faster without an upgraded turbo.

Here's an m2 with tune getting slaughtered by the s55 for your viewing delight.

Nice m2! But since it is n55 engine it should produce the same amount of power as an m235 with the same mods. So basically, that would be my same result against an m4/m3 f80. Maybe pure stage 1 + meth can close that gap?
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Nice m2! But since it is n55 engine it should produce the same amount of power as an m235 with the same mods. So basically, that would be my same result against an m4/m3 f80. Maybe pure stage 1 + meth can close that gap?
I may look biased but according to our tests, m2s always hold up MUCH better at any boost level and thus puts down more power than DCT can explain, everything else being equal.
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I've ran quite a few stock m3/4 from a roll ranging from ~50-140mph and was next to them the whole time. A tuned m3/4 will walk you in a heart beat though.

I'm FBO/e33/JB4 map 6

On a side note I had the same result with the new Q60 400 red sport the other day. Things will be a beast with a tune.
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My old m135i (hatch version of the m235i) on basically every bolt on minus a turbo upgrade pulled a few cars on oem m3 CP's. This was including fuel-it's TBI, stage 2 LPFP and jb4 duty bias tuning, oem flash.

My vbox figures also confirmed this with mine running 7.8-8.0s 62-124mph/100-200kph where as stock M3 CP's are doing anything from 8.6-9.0s over the same distance.

I'll be going down the same route with my DCT M2 but most likely run meth instead of high ethanol mixes and also a flash from bm3 or mhd. It will be good to see how the 2 platforms compare.
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I speaking from a lot of testing. There is absolutely no way stock n55 turbo do below 8s. Stock comp m4 doesn't do below 9 either.

Generally your time is 0.5s quicker. You will want to check road inclination. V box don't do that.
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I speaking from a lot of testing. There is absolutely no way stock n55 turbo do below 8s. Stock comp m4 doesn't do below 9 either.

Generally your time is 0.5s quicker. You will want to check road inclination. V box don't do that.


I believe we have had this conversation before and I also come from a lot of testing. Just because your m2 can't achieve the same times doesn't mean it's impossible.

I have several different sources from vboxing my friends m3 CP to results from the uk HCP and bm3 tuner with m3/4 in the mid to high 8s. Some also do low 9s.

If you believe vbox does not show inclination then you really have no clue. Vbox verify will show the inclination of the run and whether it is valid or not. My car has done 8.0 on a 0.2% incline and 7.8 on a -0.4% decline. If you chose not to believe this, it is not my problem but yours .

Edit:can email vbox data if so.

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Hey guys,

I recently bought the bms meth kit and stage 1 from pureturbo. I was just wondering more or less how many whp and torque could I get from adding meth and the stage 1? With fbo (catless dp, cp, intercooler, intake, dv, mpe and jb4 map 5) my numbers were 373whp and 400wtq on 98oct.
Also, what map should I run with meth and stage 1?
Would I be able to keep up with a stock m4?
No one has yet answer my questions though
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Lol bottom line man with pure stage 1 fbo and meth. Your going to beat a stock m3/4. But a bolt on/tuned s55 car will gap the n55 car
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Lol bottom line man with pure stage 1 fbo and meth. Your going to beat a stock m3/4. But a bolt on/tuned s55 car will gap the n55 car
Other bottom line is skip pure stg 1 and go to pure stg 2 😊
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Lol bottom line man with pure stage 1 fbo and meth. Your going to beat a stock m3/4. But a bolt on/tuned s55 car will gap the n55 car
Other bottom line is skip pure stg 1 and go to pure stg 2 😊
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