[pikcachu]

You get basic phone Bluetooth even without tech package but not Bluetooth audio streaming for example. You can only stream through USB without tech package at least in the US models

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by M.barnes

guess in the UK maybe its less important, but ive never really looked at temp guages before giving it some. 5 mins of driving and i class it as warm enough for spirited driving.

I wouldn't want to buy a car you'd owned......

In 35 years driving I've never owned or driven any car that was warm enough for spirited driving after only 5 mins....

And my 135i is the slowest car to warm up I've ever owned....and the lack of oil temp gauge is certainly one of the several reasons why I'm keeping my E82 135i and won't be buying a M235.

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

I wouldn't want to buy a car you'd owned......

In 35 years driving I've never owned or driven any car that was warm enough for spirited driving after only 5 mins....

And my 135i is the slowest car to warm up I've ever owned....and the lack of oil temp gauge is certainly one of the several reasons why I'm keeping my E82 135i and won't be buying a M235.

My thoughts exactly... There is no way the engine is warm enough after 5 mins (an oil temp gauge shows exactly this) of normal driving. It usually takes at least 10 or 15 mins to fully come up to temp. Even if I immediately get on the freeway going 70 and keep the speed steady, it takes at least 10 mins to warm up...

No temp gauge = bigtime fail, no two ways about it...

[M.barnes]

Lol no problem my m235i is a 3 year lease so it'll go back to bmw

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by DrFranknFurter

Good nothing worse than buyers remorse! not sure if I can afford to order a new one (Uk prices) but if I do i'll be very picky on the spec. Forgot to add DAB ditial radio to my Roc thinking I didn't need it as it has great iPod connectivity.. then the footy was on and i'm relagated to crap MW radio and it was only like £100 option

I guess it put my mind at ease that I won't be looking at that spot on the dash incessantly. But it does sort of remind you, and anyone else in the car that cares to look, that you didn't get the cool instrument cluster. And that corner just looks sort of forgotten, which given the small digital readout, becomes more obvious. Not sure if this makes sense.

I think the technology package was around $2500 here in the US - which stuck out to me as the Nav option, which I just didn't need. I should have checked it out more thoroughly - so that mistake is on me - and there is some price you pay by ordering so damn early too.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

I wouldn't want to buy a car you'd owned......

In 35 years driving I've never owned or driven any car that was warm enough for spirited driving after only 5 mins....

And my 135i is the slowest car to warm up I've ever owned....and the lack of oil temp gauge is certainly one of the several reasons why I'm keeping my E82 135i and won't be buying a M235.

It's funny that you mention the 135 taking a long time to warm up - I had never thought of it like that, but you're right. The temp gauge in mine doesn't seem to even move for several minutes on an average day - with the cold shit we have been having in the Midwestern US - you can forget about it moving at all.

It IS something that I use currently, and hope there's a way to find it in a different menu on the M235 - the sales guy that took me for my test drive wasn't sure where that might be.

[M.barnes]

Buy this if it's that much of a problem?

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925805

[darcivic00si]

Originally Posted by M.barnes

Buy this if it's that much of a problem?

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925805

I will definitely be looking into getting one of those...

[ryanSTL]

I test drove an M235 yesterday and was thinking about this whole lack of a temp gauge issue... and how much I should let the car warm up before driving hard.

During the first five-ten minutes of the test drive, I'm trying to figure out exactly what I'm looking at in the battery / efficient driving / mpg display (which was mostly white and the only white part of the whole cluster). i still don't understand the display.

Then, about 10 minutes into the drive, that area turned from white to all orange ... blending in with the rest of the cluster. I wondered if that could possibly mean that the car had reached proper operating temps?? (wishful thinking maybe)

I asked the sales guy and he had no clue why the color changed.

The car was a blast to drive by the way.

[Math]

Originally Posted by ryanSTL

I test drove an M235 yesterday and was thinking about this whole lack of a temp gauge issue... and how much I should let the car warm up before driving hard.

During the first five-ten minutes of the test drive, I'm trying to figure out exactly what I'm looking at in the battery / efficient driving / mpg display (which was mostly white and the only white part of the whole cluster). i still don't understand the display.

Then, about 10 minutes into the drive, that area turned from white to all orange ... blending in with the rest of the cluster. I wondered if that could possibly mean that the car had reached proper operating temps?? (wishful thinking maybe)

I asked the sales guy and he had no clue why the color changed.

The car was a blast to drive by the way.

It should turn from white to orange when the headlights switch ON. Maybe as a coincidence, the auto lights switched on after 10 mons..??

[Math]

Also, I can't see what the color of the cluster has anything to do with oil temp... There is no temp gauge, and thats the way it is

[kaputt]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

If they put a 4-cylinder in the Cayman S, I won't buy that either. Porsche = flat 6, except no substitutes. My first sportscar was a Z28 Camaro with a SBC V8 in it. So, that set the bar for all my subsequent cars. Must have the torks down low or no go. Next came a couple VR6's from Volkwagen (mk3 VR6 GTI, followed by a mk 4 R32), then I went to the 135 and it's twin turbo goodness. Can you understand why I don't want to step down to a 4 cylinder? I don't care if it revs to the moon, I will not buy one. The dynamics of a 4 cylinder are fundamentally different from an inline 6. I own a 4 cylinder now in my Taco, I don't want one in a $50k plus sportscar. I was looking at an Audi TT-s when I was shopping for the 1er, you know what turned me off about the TT-S, I can tell you it wasn't the looks or performance... It was that damn 2.0T they stuck in there.

The short list of my next cars is looking like, Porsche Cayman S, Corvette C7, or the M2 (until they started talking about 4 cylinders). The M4 is out, it's ugly and too big, I don't want a big car, I don't need a back seat...

The E88 135i was the absolute sweet spot for me between size, power, and weight and I am looking to replace that in about a year and I want it to be an upgrade, not a sidegrade or downgrade... I don't care what BMW's marketing spin is, a 4-cylinder is a downgrade in my opinion and (based on the poll taken right here at Bimmerpost) at least 60% of prospective M2 buyers want an I-6. 4-banger is a dealbreaker.

You could just keep your 1 series...

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by kaputt

You could just keep your 1 series...

I will for another year or so... But, I will want something new eventually and I want it to be an upgrade. I'll be keeping an eye on how the M2 develops. One thing I know for sure about BMW is not to make any assumptions until the rubber is on the road. For a long time they adamantly stated there would never be an M-car based on the 1 series. Then they did a 180 and made one (right after I bought my 135i).

So, I'm watching and waiting. I am also looking at a Porsche Cayman S and possibly a C7 vette... And maybe something else will peak my interest, like the Jag F-type or new Audi TT-RS or I dunno, there's always something newer-faster-better on the horizon...

[five3three]

Originally Posted by M.barnes

Buy this if it's that much of a problem?

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925805

The only feature I need is the temp gauge so that's really expensive just for that. I don't plan on keeping after my lease or out of warranty so if anything goes wrong BMW can fix it.

I am surprised there is no phone app that along with an odb connector using bluetooth hasn't been designed that I am aware of that could give you all the info you need along with fault codes. It seems so simple. My mechanic has a bluetooth machine he uses not sure why nobody has done one with a smartphone app.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Devon K

Nah, we just get the speeding tickets and rip 'em up since we don't lose points from US tickets...

Good luck with that next time you get pulled over you may end up with a bigger issue than you realize...

[Devon K]

Originally Posted by five3three

The only feature I need is the temp gauge so that's really expensive just for that. I don't plan on keeping after my lease or out of warranty so if anything goes wrong BMW can fix it.

I am surprised there is no phone app that along with an odb connector using bluetooth hasn't been designed that I am aware of that could give you all the info you need along with fault codes. It seems so simple. My mechanic has a bluetooth machine he uses not sure why nobody has done one with a smartphone app.

Someone will probably do one. There is one (or more) available for the BRZ/FRS twins - you plug a bluetooth dongle into the OBD port and leave it there.

[02fireman]

http://www.jlevisw.com/accessories/B...for-20-BMW.htm

maybe these guys can offer something that will work soon. Obd plug and play

[Geezer]

On the f30 you can see the actual oil temp when you put the cluster in test mode. 2 series is probably the same. Someone give this is a shot see if it works.

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=850724&highlight=Hidden+menu

[five3three]

Originally Posted by Devon K

Someone will probably do one. There is one (or more) available for the BRZ/FRS twins - you plug a bluetooth dongle into the OBD port and leave it there.

Something like that, if reasonably priced and able to use on more than one vehicle, I'd probably be willing to purchase.

[doublevanosrc]

Since we're on the topic of oil temp gauge(which i consider a must) has anyone here trashed a new BMW in which the engine was cold?? Anything happen?? Check engine light, limp mode??etc.

[Uridian]

Originally Posted by five3three

Something like that, if reasonably priced and able to use on more than one vehicle, I'd probably be willing to purchase.

Those bluetooth dongles can be had for very cheap ($15) and just plug into the OBDII port for any given vehicle. I leave one plugged into my E36 currently, and I will probably get one for the 228i as well. Just buy the $5 torque pro app for your phone to monitor. Then whatever the computer knows you can know too.

[five3three]

Originally Posted by Uridian

Those bluetooth dongles can be had for very cheap ($15) and just plug into the OBDII port for any given vehicle. I leave one plugged into my E36 currently, and I will probably get one for the 228i as well. Just buy the $5 torque pro app for your phone to monitor. Then whatever the computer knows you can know too.

That actually looks pretty awesome however I see a few posts from e9x users who said that even though it does provide an option for engine oil temperature, that it is not being transmitted via the odb2 port in those BMW's which would suck. I don't know if the 2 is the same.