[db235]

Hey guys, im planning to get the stage1 from pureturbos upgrade, my car is FBO already, catless dp, chargepipe, FMIC, intake, forge dv, mpe and jb4. Would I be needing anything else?? Is meth completely necessary? Or any other injection kit is a must for this stage?

Thanks for the help guys.

[bryan_G01]

dont even bother with stage 1 turbos. Go straight to stage 2.


You can just bolt up to what you have today for an additional 30whp. max 450 whp with meth. 600whp with port injection.

You are going to need to increase fueling in order to really get the most out of them.
-stage 2 lpfp
-Meth or port injection.
- backend flash tune (bm3 or other)

i would say go port injection, with stage 2 turbos and a PI kit running 93+ e85 you can easily get to 600whp. I would keep it conservative under 25 psi, which will be around 56-580 whp.

The good thing is, my friend is selling everything you need since he's selling his car. PM me and i can get you in touch if interested.

He would need your current turbo and oem fuel pump if you wanted to swap.

[db235]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

dont even bother with stage 1 turbos. Go straight to stage 2.


You can just bolt up to what you have today for an additional 30whp. max 450 whp with meth. 600whp with port injection.

You are going to need to increase fueling in order to really get the most out of them.
-stage 2 lpfp
-Meth or port injection.
- backend flash tune (bm3 or other)

i would say go port injection, with stage 2 turbos and a PI kit running 93+ e85 you can easily get to 600whp. I would keep it conservative under 25 psi, which will be around 56-580 whp.

The good thing is, my friend is selling everything you need since he's selling his car. PM me and i can get you in touch if interested.

He would need your current turbo and oem fuel pump if you wanted to swap.

That's the thing, i would rather not go stage 2 due to all the complications with injection kits such as meth or PI, i do not want a monster with 500-600whp, at the moment running fbo im at 370whp and 400wtq, i was hoping to get in the 400-410whp and 430-440wtq with stage 1 with no need of getting those injection kits.
But thanks anyway!

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by db235

That's the thing, i would rather not go stage 2 due to all the complications with injection kits such as meth or PI, i do not want a monster with 500-600whp, at the moment running fbo im at 370whp and 400wtq, i was hoping to get in the 400-410whp and 430-440wtq with stage 1 with no need of getting those injection kits.
But thanks anyway!

Honestly I would go with Brian's advice. Either add meth to what you have right now, or go to ps2.

Guys have been running stage two without injection or fueling upgrades and been getting about 450 whp. Then it leaves room for expansion later down the road.

Or do what I did and add meth to your fbo car. It truly is a pretty large difference. On map 2 I hit 12-13 psi. On map 3 I hit 19-20 psi.

I haven't dynoed yet but people say fbo plus meth equal 390-425 whp and 450+ wtq.

[SeanWRT]

BM3 alone can handle PS1 well without needing JB4 for boost control.

Meth is not a requirement but it's the single greatest power making bolt on available for F N55 platform, it would net you more than a PS1 turbo.

Follow your heart, there is nothing wrong with pursuing "only" 30whp upgrading your turbo. There're plenty of people that is not interested in making ridiculous whp numbers and having to live with the hassle out of meth, PI & etc.

Let us know what you end up doing. Good luck.

[bryan_G01]

stage 1 doesn't really give you much for the price. You are better off saving a little more and getting a stage 2 kit or running a flash tune.

A turbo kit with no fuel mods is kinda pointless.

I make more power than it does on stock turbos on a flash tune.

[Dylan86]

So there are people running the Pure Stage 2 turbo for the 40-60whp bump with no additional fueling? I'm guessing a proper flash tune, though? TIA

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[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

So there are people running the Pure Stage 2 turbo for the 40-60whp bump with no additional fueling? I'm guessing a proper flash tune, though? TIA

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Flash tune would be the way to go, but apparently it could be done on jb4 alone. I forget who I emailed, but I either asked BMS or pure if PS2 could be done on an FBO car with just a jb4 and they replied it would be ok.

From what I have seen Fbo + PS2 = 450 whp
Fbo + meth + PS2 = 530 whp
Fbo + port injection + lpfp + PS2 = 600whp

The reasoning would be why go through the all the trouble of upgrading to PS1 to be capped around 450 whp when you could spend a little bit more and have the option for much more power. If you have the mod bug like many do, you will want to upgrade down the road.

The other end of the argument is you could spend way less on a wmi kit and be making close to what the PS1 makes.

In the end it truly depends what your goals and budget are. For me adding methanol was exactly the bump in power I was looking for.

[bryan_G01]

to go above 21 psi you also need a n20 tmap as well.

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

to go above 21 psi you also need a n20 tmap as well.

Correct, and going above 21 you should be looking at a diverter valve upgrade and inlet pipe upgrade as well although those may not be mandatory.

[Dylan86]

If I wanted 400whp before meth, what would you guys suggest? Pure Stage 2 with JB4 only? I can't see myself requiring more than 4-420whp for my intentions, to be completely honest..

My initial thought was that this car would be perfect on a stock turbo making 400whp, but that seems to be it's absolute limit and definitely maxing out the main component. So if I could go PS2 with the JB4 to achieve that without as much boost, etc, I'd be cool with that. I don't need or want anything stupid in the car for power, I just want to be at that limit of grip on a sticky tire coming out of a third gear corner. The car still has some more room in it before getting stupid, IMO, and I'm FBO/JB4 (meth in a week or two) at the moment.

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

If I wanted 400whp before meth, what would you guys suggest? Pure Stage 2 with JB4 only? I can't see myself requiring more than 4-420whp for my intentions, to be completely honest..

My initial thought was that this car would be perfect on a stock turbo making 400whp, but that seems to be it's absolute limit and definitely maxing out the main component. So if I could go PS2 with the JB4 to achieve that without as much boost, etc, I'd be cool with that. I don't need or want anything stupid in the car for power, I just want to be at that limit of grip on a sticky tire coming out of a third gear corner. The car still has some more room in it before getting stupid, IMO, and I'm FBO/JB4 (meth in a week or two) at the moment.

So you are saying you are adding meth in a couple weeks? And you will want a little something on top of that?

I would try that first and see how you like it. Call me crazy but I would say the power increase from meth is the same, if not more than fbo map 2 over stock.

I heard someone on n54 say that 1psi increase is roughly 9 whp. Fbo map 2 I was hitting 13 psi and with meth I hit 19.5. obviously boost is not everything as timing plays a role too.

Trying to tie this back to op's post. Your options for getting 400whp+ are too;

Add meth on stock turbo
Add meth and E30 on stock turbo
Flash tune with jb4 and fuel it stge 2 lpfp with e50? ( Brian may know more about this, I think he has upgraded fuel pump)
Upgrade to PS1
Upgrade to ps2

That should be in order from cheapest to most expensive, and easiest to most difficult install.

[SeanWRT]

Did OP say anything wanting to go above 21psi?

It's perfectly fine a stg1 turbo build doing 16psi flat without meth & PI s*t.

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Did OP say anything wanting to go above 21psi?

It's perfectly fine a stg1 turbo build doing 16psi flat without meth & PI s*t.

I don't believe so. I am not sure what psi you run on stage one to reach op's goals. If it is above 21 then you will need the sensor.

I think the point we were bringing up is " if you go stg 2" then you will be able to expand down the road if you so choose. In that case you would need pi, dv+, tmap, etc.

[bryan_G01]

to get to 400whp...

Go with stage 2 lpfp.
Change plugs to n20's or s55's.
Run 4 gallons of e85 or ms100.
Get a flash tune, you can keep jb4 if you want, just get a backend flash.
Cattless DP, FMIC, CP, turbo inlet will help.

You'll want to be around 19-21psi on peak even on stock turbos its fine.

This should easily get you to 400, or right around there depending on your fuel choices.

If you want more, add meth...
If you want even more after that, upgrade your turbos.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by jmwilson125

So you are saying you are adding meth in a couple weeks? And you will want a little something on top of that?

I would try that first and see how you like it. Call me crazy but I would say the power increase from meth is the same, if not more than fbo map 2 over stock.

I heard someone on n54 say that 1psi increase is roughly 9 whp. Fbo map 2 I was hitting 13 psi and with meth I hit 19.5. obviously boost is not everything as timing plays a role too.

Trying to tie this back to op's post. Your options for getting 400whp+ are too;

Add meth on stock turbo
Add meth and E30 on stock turbo
Flash tune with jb4 and fuel it stge 2 lpfp with e50? ( Brian may know more about this, I think he has upgraded fuel pump)
Upgrade to PS1
Upgrade to ps2

That should be in order from cheapest to most expensive, and easiest to most difficult install.

If the Meth map adds that much power, then I may be okay with that. I've been stuggling here with my altitude changes and combination of heat when at lower levels. Higher altitude around home my IAT's are in the 60*F range and down in the lower areas it starts to climb. I was in the Okanogan Valley last week and was getting 107*F IAT's on the dyno (@1600ft approx), couldn't put more than 317whp down, no timing what so ever, and only making 11-12psi. As soon as we got on the road and made our way home IAT's came back down, boost levels went up tot he normal 14-16psi, and started seeing 10-11* of timing. Have switched from Map2 to Map5 to gain more control of usable boost/timing and the car feels much better, even though I'm getting less boost than with Map2, it's smooth and healthy as opposed to aggressive with draw backs on timing, etc.

Thinking meth would be the end-all answer to those issues. It's sitting in the trunk, installing this week coming. Thanks for the advice

Ideally, I'd go PS2 once the oem turbo pukes, but the mod bug has a way, with me..

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

If the Meth map adds that much power, then I may be okay with that. I've been stuggling here with my altitude changes and combination of heat when at lower levels. Higher altitude around home my IAT's are in the 60*F range and down in the lower areas it starts to climb. I was in the Okanogan Valley last week and was getting 107*F IAT's on the dyno (@1600ft approx), couldn't put more than 317whp down, no timing what so ever, and only making 11-12psi. As soon as we got on the road and made our way home IAT's came back down, boost levels went up tot he normal 14-16psi, and started seeing 10-11* of timing. Have switched from Map2 to Map5 to gain more control of usable boost/timing and the car feels much better, even though I'm getting less boost than with Map2, it's smooth and healthy as opposed to aggressive with draw backs on timing, etc.

Thinking meth would be the end-all answer to those issues. It's sitting in the trunk, installing this week coming. Thanks for the advice

Ideally, I'd go PS2 once the oem turbo pukes, but the mod bug has a way, with me..

I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the power from the meth. If you have any questions about setup feel free to pm me.

[Taunto]

What meth kit are you guys using? BMS? aquamist or snow performance

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by jmwilson125

From what I have seen Fbo + PS2 = 450 whp
Fbo + meth + PS2 = 530 whp
Fbo + port injection + lpfp + PS2 = 600whp

The reasoning would be why go through the all the trouble of upgrading to PS1 to be capped around 450 whp when you could spend a little bit more and have the option for much more power. If you have the mod bug like many do, you will want to upgrade down the road.

Because PS2 lags. I drove my friend's 1/4 mile N55 world record holding 335xi and know what it feels like to wait on power with PS2.

[mike@x-ph.com]

No additional mods needed for the stage 1

[bradsm87]

The N55 turbine is tiny and the Stage 1 does not upgrade the turbine. If you push it, it'll have a huge amount of exhaust back pressure. I'd highly recommend going straight to stage 2.

Ditch the JB4 and run a custom Bootmod3 flash tune.

[Taunto]

What Meth Kit is everyone Running?
And For someone who may want to make those crazy HP numbers, How would you go about it If E85 isnt accessible to you. I dont know of any local fuel stations that run E85 at the pumps here in Canada.