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I'm also confused by your last statement as we almost always are lower then the competition as far as output because we don't want to over-exert the engine and sacrifice engine life so I am not sure where you are getting that data from because its simply not accurate. Quote:
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You never did address my original question though in regards to these independent tests from major publications.... Why is Dinan the only tuner that is held to this standard? Seems a bit biased to me and is a clear indicator that Dinan, for whatever the reason, is held to a totally different standard then everyone else. How did you derive that the Turner product was the one you wanted when no independent testing from major (or any for that matter) publications exists on it? Quote:
Thats the beauty of competition... if you don't like what one vendor provides you can always go to another that may be more in line with your needs. Its incredibly hard to satisfy everyone and in most cases, impossible. There will always be an outlier. Last edited by Dinan_Engineering; 10-06-2015 at 05:30 PM.. |
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I have a M235 with the Stage 2 DinanTronics, the Cold Air Intake and the exhaust and all are of great quality. I installed all of them at home and they all fit perfect and look great. Your sawed off comment is ridiculous because you would be the only one I have heard saying that about their tips. Have you ever been to their facility and seen what they do? They have a full fabrication area (parts made in the USA), they have about 5 lifts full of cars, a chassis dyno, an engine dyno, and engineering offices that are always busy. They perform proper engineering practices, they have all their parts backed up by data (some not given to the public) and make sure that they meet their slogan "Performance Without Sacrifice." Before bashing them mc3456, why dont you try their exhaust. If you like the sound but dont want the tips, get your own tips and slip them on (HAHA) or have them welded on by your local joke exhaust shop. You do have the Turner unit which looks very similar to that of many other peoples harness'. Dinan's is their own and nobody has anything like them. They took the time to engineer their own high quality product and not just buy somebody else's product and sell it as theirs. Im sure they would be happy to have you come to their facility in CA and take you for a ride in their S3 M235. |
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i recently drove a dinan stage 2 M235i, and holy shit, the thing hauled some serious ass!!!!! guys car had dinan stage 2, m performance exhaust, and dinan intake, no downpipe....... i was utterly impressed, to say the least. good job Dinan !!! |
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10-11-2015, 07:20 AM | #51 | |
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Secondly, Dinan is not the only major tuning company to have all of the listed equipment you have mentioned. To think so is just plain ignorance. BTW...just because several companies buy the same physical box from the same German supplier does not mean the software mapping inside is the same. If that never registered with you, one has to question your understanding of what tuning really involves. Would love to see objective proof that Dinan's top of market pricing actually provides a product that is actually worthy of their chosen price point. Of course, there will always be some sucker that thinks that if they pay more then they are getting more. Same argument for certain companies claiming higher gains than they actually provide if and when instrumentally tested. Time for the major car mags to expose which providers are the real frauds just stealing unsuspecting buyers money. Selling hopes and dreams is not the same as providing reality. Regarding the design of their tailpipes, I've seen them many times over the years, but personally think they look seriously hacky. 30 years ago, Dinan was one of the first BMW-focused tuners, yet today they have a tiny amount of BMW modification parts marketshare. Clearly, others are providing more of what the market wants. Their is no denying that fact. BTW...hope over to the M3/M4 sight to see what people think of Dinan, and where they are choosing to spend their money. If you like your Dinan stuff, great, enjoy it, but your love of Dinan doesn't address the original question of if Dinan is a masterful improvement or just an overpriced rip-off. Their are more folks who suspect the latter not the former, but only way to know for certain is for the results of those long awaited C&D instrumented tests Dinan has been trumpeting. Personally, I'd love to believe (feel confident) that they are the real deal, but sadly, I feel that they are not, but instead just charge more for their own brand of snake oil. Only time will tell the truth. Last edited by mc3456; 10-11-2015 at 07:28 AM.. |
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I installed a few parts on HER car on my own dime just to make it more interesting for me if I end up doing the driving when we take her car. However, since it is not my car (mine is a 2015 M3), I've limited the mods...but if it was also my car, I'd likely do much more to it, regardless of cost. $$$ is not a limiting factor here. With that said, I want to make sure what I spend my money on is not over-hyped BS. Evetually, we'll know for certain if Dinan (and for that matter, other tuners) is or not. Why are people SO against scientufically measured results? I can only imagine that people prefer the perception that they spent their hard earned money wisely, and not find out they actually overspent/got ripped off. Ignorance is bliss. |
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I think there is a Dinan Stage 2 mod for your M3. http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1178/
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This will be my last reply to this as it’s pretty obvious that no one is going to change their mind / or opinions on anything discussed. We will just have to agree to disagree.
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I think part of the disagreement on this particular argument on product design stems from reliance only on information/comments from the forums. The forum community is not the only ones buying these cars/mods and there is in fact a much larger audience out there that is not being represented by just relying on this particular segment. Dinan continues to grow bigger than we ever have been so something is being done right somewhere along the lines. |
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I'd love to see you guys innovate more, grow more, and thrive more, but your resistance to accepting new ideas (...i.e. why others are thriving at your expense) is a little disappointing. Appreciate the candid dialogue, just not the Dinan business acumen. Last edited by mc3456; 10-12-2015 at 03:31 PM.. |
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It is... stage 3 is not.
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