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But I think there's something to be said, on a daily driver, for having the best of both worlds. This is where the M2**i car comes into the equation. A simple brake job will cost much less, for example, on the M2**i. And you can purchase the M2**i, today, for much less $$ too. And that's with options like different colours and trims that make it a unique purchase, on an individual basis. The "value" to each person is just another form of perception, which is highly subjective and not worth debating over IMO. I'm glad they offer this performance level 2 series in a non "M" series, as it's giving us more, for less.
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Scary thing is the 240 has a far better motor than the M2. The motor has proven to take to tuning far better than the n55. Tuned 240s will end up blowing away tuned M2.
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M2 vs M240i
IMO aside from the same root , it's really two different car that fits 2 different personality. Very similar to WRX and STI difference (where some people prefers the WRX over STI and vice versa) For m240i buyer 1. A car that is very ideal as Daily Driver or even as your only car. 2. Can have occasion track day and have fun with it. 3. Don't have to pay over 50k for a sports car. 4. Don't want to get all the attention from random strange people For m2 buyer 1. Hardcore BMW M car fan that just wants the best available 2. Can be use as a dedicated Track day fun car 3. Former E36 E46 M3 owner that's looking for the closest replacement 4. Don't mind to pay 55k+ for a 2 series From my perspective, this is a perfect collaboration from BMW, you want the hardcore 2 series and don't mind all the wait (=enthusiasts) you just go for M2. If you want to use this car as very comfortable daily driver without losing single bit of performance, just go for M240i. I see no conflicts between those 2 cars. We should really appreciate BMW for even offering both m240i and m2 simultaneously. |
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Picked up my M240i from the dealer on 10 Sept and just got through the break in period today. All I can say is the car is awesome. While I was on a couple of M2 wait lists since the May time frame and did not get to test drive the car, when I did test drive the M240i I made the decision to go that route as I was pretty impressed.
There is no doubt the M2 would have been an excellent car, but for those of you sitting on the fence I can tell you I have no regrets. For background, I don't intend on tracking the car much if any, so that was not a big consideration for me. One big consideration- I commute 26 miles each way in shitty Atlanta traffic and I can honestly say I actually look forward to my drive now! The car is a blast when you want it to be and docile & compliant the other times. As far as price, mine was optioned up and I got it from a local dealer for $1800 below invoice compared to the M2 DCT with Exec at MSRP we are talking a $10k difference in out the door price. Certainly nothing to sneeze at. The engine transmission combo is very good and I have no issues with the steering feel, it's solid in all modes. As far as the stereo, I'm unfamiliar with the past 2 series issues, but even without the HK option, the sound system sounds fine to me and I've had custom sound systems in the past. Well, good luck to you making the decision to waiting out an M2 or not. I can tell you I have been very happy with the M240i. |
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If you think about it, the M2 is one of the best bargains in the entire market. How many $51-$56K cars perform so well and look so good? It's a very accessible automobile for all enthusiasts.
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A few thoughts from a previous 1 Series owner and current 2016 TTS owner (for about 1 more week) who just test drove an M235i last week for the 2nd time before buying a 435i GC.
The 2 Series interior -- Yes, it's a bit plain, but not in a bad way, IMO. It's simple, but not cheap for the most part. For gearheads who prefer classic BMWs, I see it as an advantage. As much as I loved my 1, the interior cheapness jumped out at me on a regular basis. The 2 splits the difference between the modern feel of the F3X 3/4 interior and the basic feel of the E82. The ergonomics and positioning of the controls are also better than the 1 though still a bit upright feeling. C&D's Virtual Cockpit reference -- First, the good news: virtual cockpit is pretty cool when it works. Now, the bad news: it doesn't work reliably for any extended period of time, and Audi has no idea how to fix it. My 2016 TTS was in the shop for 23 days in the first 8,000 miles before they effectively gave up on me and my car, probably because the Audi/VW diesel woes are overwhelming them. Even ignoring the other problems my TTS has experienced (self-leveling headlight failures, seats falling apart, broken seat frame from the factory, strange transmission noises in reverse, etc.), the virtual cockpit technology has been a disaster. It crashes with regularity, even to the point where the gauges disappear, and that is a serious safety issue. The data connection is intermittent. Traffic data drops all the time, and the reliability of the navigation info suffers (trust me, you'll end up using your phone all the time). MMI has problems reading the most basic information from your contacts (example: any address in my iPhone that says "street" or "road" will stump MMI; your contacts must use Audi's preferred abbreviations EXACTLY like "st" and "rd" or no dice, but they are not published, of course). Audi dealers cannot deal with virtual cockpit issues, and Audi of America doesn't even have a formal policy about future software upgrades because (in their words) individual OS builds are matched to each rev of virtual cockpit hardware, and they're not standardized. They replaced the computer in my car, along with the data antenna, sim card, and wiring harness, reset the system several times and reloaded the software 3 times, and still no solution, so they stopped trying. I'm not exaggerating: the specialists they assigned to handle my case at the regional and national level stopped returning my calls and emails, and not for anything I did (no cursing, etc.). The dealer and Audio of America pointed fingers at each other. It's been a surreal experience. It was not easy, but I recently negotiated a lemon law buyback of my TTS -- the agreement is complete, and the car should be back in their hands in about 1 more week. I am aware of another TTS driver who went through the same process (they're still testing his car to debug the virtual cockpit issues), and others on AudiWorld forums are having similar issues. Lord help Audi when these issues start hitting them at scale now that virtual cockpit is available on their volume selling cars (A3, A4, A5, Q7, etc.) Can you imagine owning virtual cockpit in 5 years with no updates, no dealer knowledge, and Audi of America playing ostrich? No bueno. So...if you think the 2 Series interior is too simple and lacks modern tech, and that's a deciding factor for you, consider the alternative of being a beta tester for Audi and hating your car for being a buggy computer on wheels. Trust me -- it's no fun. At least the 2 Series' analog gauges just work, as does iDrive, so don't take that for granted. Over the last decade or so, we've owned 6 cars with iDrive, and while it's not perfect, I've never experienced a single iDrive OS crash. In short, be careful what you wish for... |
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M2 CSL will surely be PHEV.
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A) As an estoril blue M235i owner, I can tell you that the car gets a lot of attention. Many thumbs up from drivers/pedestrians, many good comment on parking or at the fuel station, ... But I agree that an M2 will get more attention. B) 5. If you don't want 18 months to get the car (at least in Europe) C) Some said that the M235i was the new E36/E46 M3 in 2014, then some others told that when the M2 was announced. The M2 is by far a more hardcore car than the old M3 e36 and e46. We can probably agree that neither N55 cars nor B58 cars can provide the feeling of the S54. |
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A zero-option, Alpine White M2 starts at $52,695 with delivery fee. Add on metallic paint, the exec package and the DCT, you're at almost $58k. Maybe the M2 is a bargain at $58k. I'm not going to argue that it's not, as I haven't driven the car. I totally get the theoretical argument that a stripper M2 is a better value than a loaded M235/M240. In practice, though, the real-world price of M2s for the typical buyer is going to be $10k or so higher than for M235/M240. The reality is that buyers of the latter are typically paying mid-to-high $40s while M2 buyers are paying mostly high $50s. If the M2 is this amazing bargain in the high $50s, the M240 must be the absolute deal of the century when its real-world price is $10K or so less. |
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I don't remember that on mine. Only M motors had brake-in's. |
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I change from RC350 F Sport to M235i MT RWD Converti and I am very very happy with my bmw. |
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An M235/240 is not a full on M car but your mechanic is ABSOLUTELY correct it is more M car than an M sport model. M sport is badging , wheels and tires and maybe seats. An Mxxx model has much more reworking from the M team and usually adds an improved suspension along with M sport tweaks. |
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