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      11-12-2013, 08:13 PM   #23
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Is it just me but this looks boring. I mean there is nothing special or unique about it. I honestly don't like it at all! Is there a BMW that has some cojones and design to match? I get more excited when I see older models. WTF?
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      11-12-2013, 08:42 PM   #24
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Would like to see those grey lines in the lower bumper grill deleted. Would give a more sporty front end.
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      11-12-2013, 09:46 PM   #25
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      11-12-2013, 10:37 PM   #26
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Is it just me but this looks boring. I mean there is nothing special or unique about it. I honestly don't like it at all! Is there a BMW that has some cojones and design to match? I get more excited when I see older models. WTF?
Couldn't agree more. Back end takes it from ok to not ok for me. My 135i looks a lot more aggressive at tail end for me. I've had it for 6yrs in the spring and am still waiting for something more unique. If M2 is not a reality I'll be looking at Porsche cayman or Audi.
The engine options in this car are fabulous, the design has become very humdrum IMO
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      11-12-2013, 10:51 PM   #27
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In the US, is the 228i a rebadged 220i? Only reason I ask is because there is no mention of the 228i in this brochure.

As I mentioned before, I think a 228i M sport would be the ticket. With the 240hp n20, a 6 speed stick and a mech LSD added would be awesome, especially since the 4cyl cars come with a much shorter rear end ratio than the 6 does.

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I agree. With my 135 I always had to use restraint when driving it or loose my license. The 228i M sport with its gearing would be more fun everyday. The shorter 4 cylinder would also have better balance.

I plan on getting one and doing European delivery again. I also plan on adding the m135 larger rear sway bar and front transverse rods to firm it up even more.
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      11-12-2013, 10:57 PM   #28
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WTH are the specs for the 228i?
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Yes we get it 135 owners you love your car, good for you.

My opinion the only thing good on the 1 series is the little spoiler. I'll take the other 95% of the parts of the 2 series any day.

When was this thread about the 1 series?
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      11-13-2013, 05:47 AM   #30
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M135i xDrive model came out substantial time later than M135i sDrive model (RWD) as well.

Thank you.

Would you also happen to know if 6MT was an available option on the M135i xDrive car?
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      11-13-2013, 06:21 AM   #31
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Yes we get it 135 owners you love your car, good for you.

My opinion the only thing good on the 1 series is the little spoiler. I'll take the other 95% of the parts of the 2 series any day.

When was this thread about the 1 series?
hehe you don't have to be angry about people making natural comparisons .

It's a thread about the 2, both positive and negative, and it stands to reason that one might compare it to its predecessor, positively or negatively.

Or should it just be all positive?

Anyway, great brochure. Love the car all the way around except that rear, and now that we know BMW might pony up and do something nuts (M2 like the 1M), I will sit this out, enjoy my car, and see how it all unfolds. I also like how they're advertising this car in an _actual_ red.
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hehe you don't have to be angry about people making natural comparisons .

It's a thread about the 2, both positive and negative, and it stands to reason that one might compare it to its predecessor, positively or negatively.

Or should it just be all positive?

Anyway, great brochure. Love the car all the way around except that rear, and now that we know BMW might pony up and do something nuts (M2 like the 1M), I will sit this out, enjoy my car, and see how it all unfolds. I also like how they're advertising this car in an _actual_ red.

I agree. There is no reason to jump on this if you already own a modded 135i. It is going to have more power and handle better, plus the rear end on the 2 is terribuuuul. I would wait it out for the M2, hopefully.
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Yes we get it 135 owners you love your car, good for you.

My opinion the only thing good on the 1 series is the little spoiler. I'll take the other 95% of the parts of the 2 series any day.

When was this thread about the 1 series?
lol....it's the successor to the 1er....of course you will get 1er owners giving their opinions----especially as WE are their target audience.....

the new car appeals to a lot of people because it IS generic looking and more mainstream....which is probably why it appeals to 3-series owners as well
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lol....it's the successor to the 1er....of course you will get 1er owners giving their opinions----especially as WE are their target audience.....

the new car appeals to a lot of people because it IS generic looking and more mainstream....which is probably why it appeals to 3-series owners as well
Me thinks the 2 appeals to a much broader market than the 1 did because everything else has moved so far upmarket. I remember in 2008 speccing my m3 for euro delivery and it had a base price of 48.800. I know msrp and euro srp aren't exactly the same, but still...
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      11-13-2013, 09:13 AM   #35
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      11-13-2013, 09:16 AM   #36
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Me thinks the 2 appeals to a much broader market than the 1 did because everything else has moved so far upmarket. I remember in 2008 speccing my m3 for euro delivery and it had a base price of 48.800. I know msrp and euro srp aren't exactly the same, but still...
Let's not forget that 3% inflation since 2008 simply means that $48.8k would now be $58.3k.
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Let's not forget that 3% inflation since 2008 simply means that $48.8k would now be $58.3k.
Might want to check your numbers. It would actually be $53,071.58

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Base price of a 2013 M3 coupe was about $60k if I remember correctly.... so about $7k more than the 2008 price + inflation. Perhaps there is room for an M2 at the $50k price point if the M3/4 will be above 60.
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Might want to check your numbers. It would actually be $53,071.58

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Base price of a 2013 M3 coupe was about $60k if I remember correctly.... so about $7k more than the 2008 price + inflation. Perhaps there is room for an M2 at the $50k price point if the M3/4 will be above 60.
I was including 2014, since we're effectively already there for model years.
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I was including 2014, since we're effectively already there for model years.
So that'd be $55,109.29 (2007-2013)

I see your point that inflation increases the price- definitely true. But BMW has also been increasing the price steadily. I would not be surprised to see the M235i going for 50k base price in a few years.
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So that'd be $55,109.29 (2007-2013)

I see your point that inflation increases the price- definitely true. But BMW has also been increasing the price steadily. I would not be surprised to see the M235i going for 50k base price in a few years.
Dear lord, 48.8*1.03 six times is $58,269. A flat 3% is simple inflationary growth. Yes, you can use the BLS data, but by backing up to 2007, you're gaining the negative impact of the 2008 collapse.

Regardless, the point is that folks comparing six year old pricing to current day pricing are forgetting inflation. If I bought a new 2002 for $3k, I wouldn't expect to find a 335i today for the same price.
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So 3 weeks now since the release of data and still nothing mentioned as far as pricing for the Canadian market and whether a 228i with Msport pack would be avail here (as Msport pack not avail on 3 series unless you go 335i or 435i unlike in USA). We are right beside USA and will get the same models essentially, where is this info!
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Dear lord, 48.8*1.03 six times is $58,269. A flat 3% is simple inflationary growth. Yes, you can use the BLS data, but by backing up to 2007, you're gaining the negative impact of the 2008 collapse.

Regardless, the point is that folks comparing six year old pricing to current day pricing are forgetting inflation. If I bought a new 2002 for $3k, I wouldn't expect to find a 335i today for the same price.
The point I made is that since we don't have pricing on an f series M3, inflation or not (which was correctly pointed out isn't a flat percentage) is that the 3 series and above have moved very upmarket for their top end models, which may explain the interest in the 2 series now; which was virtually absent for the 1 series.

But as is typical with people like you, making the absurd comparison of a car that was released 51 years ago somehow makes your statement valid. And by your math, a 335 today should cost ~$160,000 compared to a 2002.

Disagree all you want, but don't bring terrible math, and ridiculous comparisons to make your point.
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So 3 weeks now since the release of data and still nothing mentioned as far as pricing for the Canadian market and whether a 228i with Msport pack would be avail here (as Msport pack not avail on 3 series unless you go 335i or 435i unlike in USA). We are right beside USA and will get the same models essentially, where is this info!
Hey you got the X1 way before the US so stop complaining (just kidding).
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The point I made is that since we don't have pricing on an f series M3, inflation or not (which was correctly pointed out isn't a flat percentage) is that the 3 series and above have moved very upmarket for their top end models, which may explain the interest in the 2 series now; which was virtually absent for the 1 series.

But as is typical with people like you, making the absurd comparison of a car that was released 51 years ago somehow makes your statement valid. And by your math, a 335 today should cost ~$160,000 compared to a 2002.

Disagree all you want, but don't bring terrible math, and ridiculous comparisons to make your point.
See, the 3er is a steal! But let's not forget that your math (51 years since 1972) is also suspect and you also compared ED to MSRP pricing.

Actually, my interest in the 2er is the same as why I bought a 1er in 2008 over a 3er. The 3er is too big for what I personally prefer. The 1er sold quite well, even in it's last year selling at 6k+ units, it's still outselling the Z4 and X6 and roughly on par with the 6er and 7er.

If price alone were the only factor behind making the 2er appealing, the 320i and the X1 sDrive 28i (rolls right off the tongue) should be even more appealing.
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