2 Series poll. Do you have Auto or Manual transmission

kz1000 · 10-01-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

It looks like family-men where wife needs to drive and injured pickup AT mostly ))

I bet the poll would be close to a 100% on manual side if you disregard traffic, wives, injuries, and availability

My left knee is bone on bone. As long is I have a left leg, I will drive a manual. The pain is manageable as I am sitting when I drive.

amw896 · 10-01-2016, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nvmaddog

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Originally Posted by Smallm

MANual
because I can't stand driving a brake pedal and automatics are for girls.

Or just grown men that want to be faster than you are...

come on lol....unless you have 0 skill with a standard, the difference is negligible at best in terms of performance and fuel economy. I find most people use this as scape goat reason for being shit ass drivers with a stick. Not saying you in particular but just in general.

3.0L · 10-01-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by amw896

come on lol....unless you have 0 skill with a standard, the difference is negligible at best in terms of performance and fuel economy. I find most people use this as scape goat reason for being shit ass drivers with a stick. Not saying you in particular but just in general.

Bullshit. I probably have more time rowing manual gears than you have on this planet.

amw896 · 10-01-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.0L

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Originally Posted by amw896

come on lol....unless you have 0 skill with a standard, the difference is negligible at best in terms of performance and fuel economy. I find most people use this as scape goat reason for being shit ass drivers with a stick. Not saying you in particular but just in general.

Bullshit. I probably have more time rowing manual gears than you have on this planet.

I didn't mean anyone in particular just the reasoning itself. I totally understand reasons like wife can't drive it or physical problems but come on, the differences in times are just nonsense to me at least. No disrespect, were all friends

G-Mann · 10-01-2016, 09:11 PM

Auto. I think the only way I get back into a manual is if BMW were to announce a detuned s55 in the 2018 M2 with a minimal price increase.

chattanooga240 · 10-01-2016, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by amw896

come on lol....unless you have 0 skill with a standard, the difference is negligible at best in terms of performance and fuel economy. I find most people use this as scape goat reason for being shit ass drivers with a stick. Not saying you in particular but just in general.

Negligible at best? I can guarantee stock for stock the auto is at least half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, and that is with perfect shifts out of the manual driver.

Not that it matters in the least because I have no doubt the manual is more fun to throw around, but there is no doubt stock for stock which car is faster.

THEOS · 10-01-2016, 10:49 PM

ITT many, many excuses

jpnh · 10-01-2016, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nvmaddog

Negligible at best? I can guarantee stock for stock the auto is at least half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, and that is with perfect shifts out of the manual driver.

Not that it matters in the least because I have no doubt the manual is more fun to throw around, but there is no doubt stock for stock which car is faster.

I suppose that begs the next question

It assumes a person is actually going to keep the car for an extended period

But which transmission is more economical over the long run including service and the eventual need to rebuild/service it?

Anyone want to venture cost to replace that AT vs rebuild the MT?

IDK

XutvJet · 10-02-2016, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nvmaddog

Negligible at best? I can guarantee stock for stock the auto is at least half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, and that is with perfect shifts out of the manual driver.

Not that it matters in the least because I have no doubt the manual is more fun to throw around, but there is no doubt stock for stock which car is faster.

Maybe .3 of a second and 2 mph at best assuming the 6MT driver is decent. The auto is quicker, but not .5 seconds quicker.

XutvJet · 10-02-2016, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jpnh

I suppose that begs the next question

It assumes a person is actually going to keep the car for an extended period

But which transmission is more economical over the long run including service and the eventual need to rebuild/service it?

Anyone want to venture cost to replace that AT vs rebuild the MT?

IDK

New vs new, the manual is around $3300 cheaper to replace than the 8AT. That includes replacing the 6MT transmission, clutch, and dual mass flywheel.

Spydeputy · 10-02-2016, 06:15 AM

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chattanooga240 · 10-02-2016, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by XutvJet

Maybe .3 of a second and 2 mph at best assuming the 6MT driver is decent. The auto is quicker, but not .5 seconds quicker.

I haven't had the opportunity to test the manual at the track, but there is no way short of possibly being a pro driver that you are only .3 behind when almost every publication I have read was at least .5 behind in the manual.

jpnh · 10-02-2016, 08:01 AM

I dont think that there's much doubt remaining that the modern slushbox is a hair faster than the MT and that the dual clutch transmissions avail on higher end vehicles are even faster
I'm honestly impressed by the slushbox in the M240....it did a wonderful job of anticipating proper gear selection

But I still prefer a MT personally and wish the xdrive was avail with one

3.0L · 10-02-2016, 10:25 AM

Pssssssst:

Dylan86 · 10-02-2016, 11:56 AM

Those magazine stats, though...

DF · 10-02-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XutvJet

New vs new, the manual is around $3300 cheaper to replace than the 8AT. That includes replacing the 6MT transmission, clutch, and dual mass flywheel.

Who replaces a transmission?

M235iguy · 10-02-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DF

Who replaces a transmission?

manual fangirls reaching for anything because they have a slower car.

Grentz · 10-02-2016, 01:48 PM

The auto in the M235i is one heck of a box. It is not your grandma's auto.

No one in hell could you shift as fast as the auto can in sport mode, the thing is ridiculous. That said, I do still love driving a manual.

XutvJet · 10-02-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DF

Who replaces a transmission?

Automatic owners wishing they got a manual.

3.0L · 10-02-2016, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jpnh

I suppose that begs the next question

It assumes a person is actually going to keep the car for an extended period

But which transmission is more economical over the long run including service and the eventual need to rebuild/service it?

Anyone want to venture cost to replace that AT vs rebuild the MT?

IDK

Moot point. I've owned 11 automobiles in my life and I keep most of my cars 10 years or more. I have yet to replace a transmission, automatic or manual. Serviced? Yes... just fluids and filters (auto). Big deal.

So who give a flying leap? How many people keep their cars long enough to have a transmission failure.

Your argument is very weak.

3.0L · 10-02-2016, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XutvJet

Automatic owners wishing they got a manual.

More BS.

pz619 · 10-02-2016, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XutvJet

Maybe .3 of a second and 2 mph at best assuming the 6MT driver is decent. The auto is quicker, but not .5 seconds quicker.

I mean we're splitting fractions of a second at this point, but .5 is about right. Here are the results from Car and Driver.

C/D TEST RESULTS (Manual)

Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.7 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 20.7 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 31.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 6.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph

C/D TEST RESULTS (auto)

Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109 mph

View Poll Results: Do you have Auto or Manual transmission
Manual	108	44.81%
AT	133	55.19%
Voters: 241. You may not vote on this poll

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