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View Poll Results: Which one to choose as your daily driver?
m235i "stripper" 37 71.15%
228i Msport with tech and luxury goodies. 15 28.85%
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      11-05-2013, 09:23 PM   #1
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Im looking forward to a 2 series as my daily driver. I love all of the driving bits that come with the m235i, but Im not sure if I will miss the tech package, etc. What do you think? This will be my 1st Msport vehicle. Ive had 335is and a 535i in the past.
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I would understand where your going if this were a 228i vs a 235i, but the M235i is going to have a better suspension, very possible better steering, exhaust, and for manual drivers a better gear box. So its not just the engine. If it was just the engine I would agree the 228i would be the obvious better deal.
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I would understand where your going if this were a 228i vs a 235i, but the M235i is going to have a better suspension, very possible better steering, exhaust, and for manual drivers a better gear box. So its not just the engine. If it was just the engine I would agree the 228i would be the obvious better deal.
Yes, that's why stripper was in quotation marks The M235i is loaded with lots of performance oriented stuff. Just curious if anyone like me uses their car as a daily driver and would miss leather, tech package, etc. I commute 50 miles total each day. I do enjoy a sporty feel, but I don't have mbrakes, variable steering or suspension on my 335i right now and its fine, just a bit big. Also I enjoyed the N20 on a test drive, but not sure if I would regret not getting the six.
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I would understand where your going if this were a 228i vs a 235i, but the M235i is going to have a better suspension, very possible better steering, exhaust, and for manual drivers a better gear box. So its not just the engine. If it was just the engine I would agree the 228i would be the obvious better deal.
Yes, that's why stripper was in quotation marks The M235i is loaded with lots of performance oriented stuff. Just curious if anyone like me uses their car as a daily driver and would miss leather, tech package, etc. I commute 50 miles total each day. I do enjoy a sporty feel, but I don't have mbrakes, variable steering or suspension on my 335i right now and its fine, just a bit big. Also I enjoyed the N20 on a test drive, but not sure if I would regret not getting the six.
If you're already questioning getting the 228i over the M235i, then I believe you just answered your own question
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Depending on what roads you are driving during your commute, the 228i MSport may be better. For example, if your drive mostly highway, how much will the extra performance bits of the M235i help compared to not having the tech/lucury items? Not to mention the bonus of better MPG, lower purchase price and insurance costs.
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Only you can answer that really- for me all the tech goodies in the world won't compensate for an engine that I loathe the sound of when driven even somewhat aggressively. So I'm pretty sure I'll still prefer my almost stripper 128 over a loaded 228. M235 is the only one (well 2 actually) that makes sense to me and the only new BMW I'd even want to own anymore. If you want the tech stuff, wait, save and add it to the M235 IMO.
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Only you can answer that really- for me all the tech goodies in the world won't compensate for an engine that I loathe the sound of when driven even somewhat aggressively. So I'm pretty sure I'll still prefer my almost stripper 128 over a loaded 228. M235 is the only one (well 2 actually) that makes sense to me and the only new BMW I'd even want to own anymore. If you want the tech stuff, wait, save and add it to the M235 IMO.
Actually, in 2014 the N20 is a bit more refined. I don't know what they did, but it sounds AWESOME now. Go test drive a 2014 N20 if you get a chance. Yes, the performance obviously isn't on par with the N55, but its no slouch either. they also got rid of the diesel sound inside and out.

Despite the comments on here, the poll is pretty close so far. I just keep coming back to the money as well haha. I started out considering a Mini Cooper S, then a GTI, accord, and ended up back in BMW land. Its hard to give up BMW. I don't think that i could unless I really had to.
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Actually, in 2014 the N20 is a bit more refined. I don't know what they did, but it sounds AWESOME now. Go test drive a 2014 N20 if you get a chance. Yes, the performance obviously isn't on par with the N55, but its no slouch either. they also got rid of the diesel sound inside and out.
i test drove a 2014 328 with the N20 and it was terrible........like a generic 4 banger with tinny, whispery sounds. Felt cheap. Not sure what changes you are referring to...
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N20 is an International Engine of Year award winner.

It is a fantastic engine, especially now it will be in a proper small car. Definitely can have loads of fun in a tuned 228i.
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N20 is an International Engine of Year award winner.

It is a fantastic engine, especially now it will be in a proper small car. Definitely can have loads of fun in a tuned 228i.
errr....it won the category of 'best 1.8L to 2.0L engine"......hardly makes it famous or anything. LOL.

the N20's goal is to be efficient. it's not meant to be fun or interesting...it's meant to be efficient.
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errr....it won the category of 'best 1.8L to 2.0L engine"......hardly makes it famous or anything. LOL.

the N20's goal is to be efficient. it's not meant to be fun or interesting...it's meant to be efficient.
That's your opinion but doesn't make it a fact. Every car magazine that has tested a 3 series with the N20 have been extremely impressed with the performance. It smokes a Caddy ATS with their 4 cyl turbo and in fact was as fast as their 3.6 in some tests. Just because the sound doesn't sound like a Ferari is meaningless. I have the N20 in an X1 and it flys and greatly outperforms the NA 3.0 BMW made for years which I owned several times. Not everyone wants a N55. I have a N54 in a 3 series and I'm impressed with the N20.
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That's your opinion but doesn't make it a fact. Every car magazine that has tested a 3 series with the N20 have been extremely impressed with the performance. It smokes a Caddy ATS with their 4 cyl turbo and in fact was as fast as their 3.6 in some tests. Just because the sound doesn't sound like a Ferari is meaningless. I have the N20 in an X1 and it flys and greatly outperforms the NA 3.0 BMW made for years which I owned several times. Not everyone wants a N55. I have a N54 in a 3 series and I'm impressed with the N20.
it may be fine for an X1....it's not fine for a small BMW coupe.
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That's your opinion but doesn't make it a fact. Every car magazine that has tested a 3 series with the N20 have been extremely impressed with the performance. It smokes a Caddy ATS with their 4 cyl turbo and in fact was as fast as their 3.6 in some tests. Just because the sound doesn't sound like a Ferari is meaningless. I have the N20 in an X1 and it flys and greatly outperforms the NA 3.0 BMW made for years which I owned several times. Not everyone wants a N55. I have a N54 in a 3 series and I'm impressed with the N20.
it may be fine for an X1 which is basically an appliance....it's not fine for a small BMW coupe.
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I'll reserve final judgement until I drive a 228i but that N20 is guilty until proven innocent in my book. To each his own but I'm really not a fan it feels, sounds and delivers like an appliance. Oh it gets the job done no question there but did you enjoy it, do you want to keep driving just to drive? That's how I feel in my 1 and not in anything I've driven with the N20. The X1 was ok but the mileage claim is complete crap so to me in well equipped form the 35i was the choice there too. That said I ended up with a loaded Mazda CX5 and I'll use the 10k I saved to replace the 1 when its time.
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it may be fine for an X1....it's not fine for a small BMW coupe.
You are wrong, just as much as you think everyone of your opinions is correct.
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I'll reserve final judgement until I drive a 228i but that N20 is guilty until proven innocent- to each his own but I'm really not a fan it feels, sounds and delivers like an appliance. Oh it gets the job done no question there but did you enjoy it, do you want to keep driving just to drive? That's how I feel in my 1 and not in anything I've driven with the N20. The X1 was ok but the mileage claim is complete crap so to me the 35i was the choice there too. That said I ended up with a loaded Mazda CX5 and I'll use the 10k I saved to replace the 1 when its time.
An efficient tuned N20 in a small 2-series chassis will be a little ripper. I have been in a tuned manual 328i, fun car for sure (just needs weight loss). My loaner last week was a 528i. For such a heavy vehicle, the N20 did quite well.

Even in stock form, a 228i 0-60 in 5.4 is quick (E36 M3 numbers).
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errr....it won the category of 'best 1.8L to 2.0L engine"......hardly makes it famous or anything. LOL.

the N20's goal is to be efficient. it's not meant to be fun or interesting...it's meant to be efficient.
LOL

Tell that to Bimmerworld, they are switching to the N20 powered 328i for the next 5-6 seasons in the Continental Tire Series.

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@Blipit: Absolutely, I never said it wouldn't be capable, it will be plenty quick and certainly have a weight advantage on the M235, I've just found it very non-aesthetically pleasing to flog (if that makes any sense) which is unfortunate.

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You guys, I have the N26 engine in my 328...it may be pretty quick with my JB4 and E85, BUT, it is just not that fun to drive, partially because it sounds like crap.

When I transition to the M235i, there's no doubt in my mind that it will put a smile on my face, if not only for the 6cyl sound.

And about bimmerworld...of course they are going to transition to the N20/N26, its lighter. Duh!
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And about bimmerworld...of course they are going to transition to the N20/N26, its lighter. Duh!
Actually decision has nothing to do with weight.
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Actually decision has nothing to do with weight.
What does it have to do with then? Weight distribution? A change in racing "class"? Cost?
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As a related but side issue, I drove the new 428i Coupe yesterday at a BMW dealer "drive" day. Only a brief 20 min drive, little urban and some more open hiway. I was impressed with the power, and quickness, of the N20 in the heavier 4 Series. They did not have a 435i on hand to compare to. Regardless, the 4 is not a car I would buy, too large for my tastes.

Would I get the N20 in the 2 Series? Maybe, I would have to drive it first; BUT I would be more likely to get the N55 a la M235i just because one can never have too much power

I think the N20 is a very good engine, and may make for a better DD than the larger engine, for some ppl.
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