[sternn]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

It may be helpful to note that I take the train to work, so this car would be a weekend only car. Not a daily driver.

In that case, wait for the M2 (me thinks).

But between 235i and 240i, I think it's better to get the 235i.

[JP308]

I went from a 2010 335i convertible to an M235i convertible. Why...because I wanted a slightly smaller car...a slightly faster car...and a new car as my 2010 was out of warranty. Could I have waited....you can always wait...however I have been enjoying the new ride a lot more than my older 335i. Life's short, live now.

JP

[AlpsRider]

Yes. Live. Besides that, from what I've read there's no guarantee that the 2017 will be an M240i, so that is a gamble. The M2 will be sporting the N55 so would they switch engines on the 235 8 months later? Maybe, maybe not. I drew my own conclusions on the M235i and I ordered one. I have a friend that has had several BMWs including an M3 coupe, he says that he prefers the M235i overall. If you can afford it and you want it get it. You can wait for the next phone to come out too. If you always did that you'd be carrying a Nokia brick :-)

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Yes. Live. Besides that, from what I've read there's no guarantee that the 2017 will be an M240i, so that is a gamble. The M2 will be sporting the N55 so would they switch engines on the 235 8 months later? Maybe, maybe not. I drew my own conclusions on the M235i and I ordered one. I have a friend that has had several BMWs including an M3 coupe, he says that he prefers the M235i overall. If you can afford it and you want it get it. You can wait for the next phone to come out too. If you always did that you'd be carrying a Nokia brick :-)

So frustrating. I wish we could just get facts from BMW on the prospective lineups.

I know that wouldn't be in their best interest, just venting.

[scrape1]

I am not yet convinced that the B58 will be a better engine than the N55. For me that goes beyond model designation and power output from the factory. Will it be more durable? Will it be more tunable? Or will these "modular" engines be simply a step toward building engines cheaper rather better. Sure seems like the biggest goal for BMW is to maximize reuse of components across the 3, 4, and 6 cylinder engines. Will that come at the expense of ownership experience? I think those questions won't be answered for some time.

One thing we already know is that due to its design, the B series engines will require the engine to be pulled to replace the timing chain. At a minimum, I would wait a while to see how those timing chains are holding up.

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by sternn

Here's my humble opinion:

If you are tired of your 335i (why would you even :-)?),

- buy the m235i if you want a roadcar that can track (yes it's fast, and yes it is a lot more fun than a F-series 435i)
or
- wait for the M2 if you want a trackcar that is legal to drive on the road ... I think it will be brutal :-)

I would certainly not wait for the m240i, the B58 engine is new and will have "child diseases", whereas the N55 has proven itself.

I agree. Go with the M235i or M2. No reason to wait for the 240i. I tend to avoid the first year of a new motor just in case there are issues with it. OP, how was your experience with a 2007 335i? Any major issues with it being the first year in the U.S.?

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by zipstic

I agree. Go with the M235i or M2. No reason to wait for the 240i. I tend to avoid the first year of a new motor just in case there are issues with it. OP, how was your experience with a 2007 335i? Any major issues with it being the first year in the U.S.?

I had some software issues when I first got her, but a upgrade quickly fixed them. Otherwise she has been completely bulletproof. Haven't even suffered the widespread HPFP issue that plagued this car. She has truly been remarkable both performance and reliability wise. I've replaced the battery and spark plugs recently, but that is maintenance. I have 0 complaints other than the terrible run flat tires.

BTW, I'm am pretty certain that an M2 will be in my garage in the (hopefully) not too distant future

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

I had some software issues when I first got her, but a upgrade quickly fixed them. Otherwise she has been completely bulletproof. Haven't even suffered the widespread HPFP issue that plagued this car. She has truly been remarkable both performance and reliability wise. I've replaced the battery and spark plugs recently, but that is maintenance. I have 0 complaints other than the terrible run flat tires.

BTW, I'm am pretty certain that an M2 will be in my garage in the (hopefully) not too distant future

If your 335i has been so bulletproof then I'd say hold out for the M2!

[8Bmw16]

Originally Posted by sternn

You've made the right choice, imho

Have fun in Germany!

Thanks! Each day waiting feels like a life time!! ! In all honestly though, I'm glad I made the decision. Researching the different possible options was taking too much time and effort. Now it's all about researching goodies to add to M235i when it arrives!

[CalRick]

Some other points to consider - would giving a similar power bump to the M235 as they are giving the 340/440 put it too close to the M2 power levels? The M3/4 has a substantial power margin over the current 3/435 so that they can afford to boost their power to make them more competitive in their particular marketplace - does the M235 need a power bump to stay competitive, particularly in light of the upcoming M2? It's nothing I'm worrying about as my M235 just waded ashore today so is only a week or two away now.

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

So frustrating. I wish we could just get facts from BMW on the prospective lineups.

I know that wouldn't be in their best interest, just venting.

You got it - GM pulled the rug out from their Chevy Volt sales when they announced substantial upcoming improvements (some marketing executive probably got "retired" over that one.)

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

So I have been researching a 235i and my research has led me to believe that it is a fantastic car. I drove it a couple times and now and my beliefs have been confirmed. I want to pull the trigger badly but then, of course, sense kicks in. Another thing I've learned is that the 2017 model will most likely be updated to the 240i. I don't "need" the car. I currently have a 2007 335i that drives great and could certainly last another year (knock on wood).

So the question is, would you wait if you were me? Do you think it's worth it to hold off for the new model or am I just wasting time not going forward now? I can't be the only one on this boat, anyone else have thoughts?

Good question.
Look at the 3 series LCI to see if what BMW did is something you want.
For the 3 there were a number of changes because the car needed it.
BMW updated/upgraded the suspension, tweaked the steering, and ZF updated the already fantastic 8spd AT. Xenon's replaced by LED headlight with option adaptive LED. Some minor interior changes too

Reviews on the changes have been mostly positive with some outlying reviews complaining again about the steering.
The new engine has been universally praised. It seems to be yet another fantastic BMW engine.
For the 340i there is more power, not rated at about what the M235i is.
For the M240i it will likely go up by the same amounts, perhaps +20hp and +30lb ft.

The current 2 series doesn't need all those changes really, but since BMW updated and upgraded the adaptive M suspension it's likely the LCI 2 series will get them too.

Other than the engine the LCI changes should be minor.
So I would think it comes down to the engine. If that is important to you, then wait. 2017 model year orders will likely by June 2016 maybe later in May. Production begins in July 2017.
The sooner you get an allocation the sooner your M240i will get to you.

Since the 340i willh have had a whole year of production by then the M240i will benefit from any changes BMW may make if there are any issues.
Still the M235i is a really great sport coupe and if you really like it then you wouldn't go wrong with getting one.

Leasing is easier with these changes because you can be back in the market in 2 to 3 years. Cash or loan purchase is different as you'll likely keep it for a longer time. If that's the case, then wait for the LCI, that way the next chassis 2 series will be at least 3yrs away iirc.

[vase330]

If you wait for the 240 lease it. If it turns out to be ok byou can buy at lease end.

I had first year 335i fuel pump turbos, etc... you recall the issues.
I had a second yeah Toyota Rav4 08. fantastic car and still regret selling that one. But then again it is a Toyota so who knows if they have the first yeah issues...

2014 Range Rover Sport Supercharged dynamic. $104K and worst car I have ever had, that included used cars! Damn my impatience! Stupid car was total lemon even among land rovers! I was chasing problems from the front bumper to the rear one and everything in between for a miserable 10 months until I traded the headache back to LR

2015 Range Rover Sport Autobiography $108K and solid, reliable and drives a lot better. That's second year car. Not a single mechanical issues with this one. I only qoute the prices because at these levels you expect a certain peace of mind. Not so by a long shot. Almost seems like more you pay the more issues you can expect.

Moral of the story is first year niggles is not hyperbole. Happens more frequently than you can imagine.

[Kiwi]

I purchase 2014 new 1 series last year and BMW replaced it for a new 2015 1 series because it was a lemon. It doesn't really matter what year they are built just depends when it is assembled with faulty parts or poor workmanship.

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

Nothing like getting the first year of a new motor

There is ALWAYS, always, always going to be a new, shiny object coming out...After the 240 it will be the 241 with a new tail-light configuration that someone will drool over.

Live for today OP....Order now. 2017 is far away imo...

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

So I have been researching a 235i and my research has led me to believe that it is a fantastic car. I drove it a couple times and now and my beliefs have been confirmed. I want to pull the trigger badly but then, of course, sense kicks in. Another thing I've learned is that the 2017 model will most likely be updated to the 240i. I don't "need" the car. I currently have a 2007 335i that drives great and could certainly last another year (knock on wood).

So the question is, would you wait if you were me? Do you think it's worth it to hold off for the new model or am I just wasting time not going forward now? I can't be the only one on this boat, anyone else have thoughts?

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

So I have been researching a 235i and my research has led me to believe that it is a fantastic car. I drove it a couple times and now and my beliefs have been confirmed. I want to pull the trigger badly but then, of course, sense kicks in. Another thing I've learned is that the 2017 model will most likely be updated to the 240i. I don't "need" the car. I currently have a 2007 335i that drives great and could certainly last another year (knock on wood).

So the question is, would you wait if you were me? Do you think it's worth it to hold off for the new model or am I just wasting time not going forward now? I can't be the only one on this boat, anyone else have thoughts?

They say you should never "time the market." You don't know. I think the answer depends on what things you place high value on.

1. If you have "smartphone syndrome" ....that is where you want the latest gadget/feature set and feel that yours is immediately outdated. In this case you will get a little more gratification if you wait and get an LCI version. Also, there is a tiny chance they might actually improve something of substance on the car, like drop some weight, maybe some steering feedback or firm it up a bit. If you place a high value on gadgets and the latest tech, wait for the LCI.

Unfortunately, I fall under the "car-loonie" syndrome label. So while you can't really know what is coming, basing it on the BMWs pattern of continuously softening the cars, adding more virtual features and comfort buttons, I would probably take teh current one as BMW might make the 240 worse. Seeing their marketing stuff, they talk about making the x40s softer but better handling?? Maybe with dynamic suspensions, etc. but the point is the next 240 might weight 3750 lbs and have a virtual reality screen instead of a windshield called Active Vision where you can change the scenery to look like you're driving in the Welsh countryside and the steering gives fake PS3 bumps as you run over virtual sheep dung. Ok, gettng carried away, but you might get mandatory undefeatable START/STOP, ECO mode, etc.

So you get the picture. If you bought a 2014 the service was transferrable upon sale which is a great feature gone in 2015!

So based on BMWs trend of forcing questionable tech, getting heavier (except for new M3) cutting back on service program, bigger ipad displays and softening suspensions etc etc, you might be better off getting the 2015 if you like it as is or maybe leasing it.

Good luck.

[Gibson6594]

You guys are great. Truthful, honest advice. I really appreciate it.

So my plan right now is to wait and get the official details on the M2. I think if the car lives up to its hype and is not outrageously priced, I will pick one of those up. If it is not what I hope it will be, I will reevaluate then.

[Pyewacket69]

Originally Posted by Midwest M235i

Nothing like getting the first year of a new motor

There is ALWAYS, always, always going to be a new, shiny object coming out...After the 240 it will be the 241 with a new tail-light configuration that someone will drool over.

I totally agree with your engine comment.

The N55 (IMO) is the result of several years of practical analysis of the weaknesses and strengths of the N54.

Personally, I'd be terrified of buying a performance car from ANY manufacturer that was introducing a completely new engine in that model. Maybe it's my 61 years of experiences in roughly 100 vehicles that make me feel that way...

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

You guys are great. Truthful, honest advice. I really appreciate it.

So my plan right now is to wait and get the official details on the M2. I think if the car lives up to its hype and is not outrageously priced, I will pick one of those up. If it is not what I hope it will be, I will reevaluate then.

When you compare the M235i to the M2, just keep a few things in mind...The M235i is not on an allotment so you can get a good deal on one, I was able to get one 14% off of US MSRP and I'll pick up a 2016 via European Delivery. I suspect the M2 will be harder to get and I wouldn't expect any deep discounts for quite awhile, who knows, they might even price it over MSRP. So get the M2, but be prepared to PAY$.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Pyewacket69

Maybe it's my 61 years of experiences in roughly 100 vehicles that make me feel that way...

Holly cow batman, that's a lot of vehicles!

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

When you compare the M235i to the M2, just keep a few things in mind...The M235i is not on an allotment so you can get a good deal on one, I was able to get one 14% off of US MSRP and I'll pick up a 2016 via European Delivery. I suspect the M2 will be harder to get and I wouldn't expect any deep discounts for quite awhile, who knows, they might even price it over MSRP. So get the M2, but be prepared to PAY$.

Thanks, I will be saving my pennies between now and the release.

[vladberca]

A stripper M2 should be the best choice since it will be your weekend fun car!