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      04-02-2013, 08:37 PM   #45
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S versions in audi are the 35i equivalent.
Audi's S products are roughly on par with BMW's equivalent top trim series model. It could be a "35i", but it might also be a *50i model for the 5 series and above. M Performance or (for a little longer) "is" models fit the bill too where they are available.
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      04-02-2013, 09:19 PM   #46
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Audi's S products are roughly on par with BMW's equivalent top trim series model. It could be a "35i", but it might also be a *50i model for the 5 series and above. M Performance or (for a little longer) "is" models fit the bill too where they are available.
Audi salesmen have always viewed their S line as equivalent to BMW's M. They view their RS line as 'above' M. lol
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The current 1-series coupe is closer in length to an E46 than an E46 is to an F30.

If the 2-series GC is an inch or two longer (not unreasonable), it's really going to be sized between an E36 and E46.

Personally speaking, I would definitely be interested in a 2-series GC. Besides the M2, I find it the most exciting thing about the upcoming 2-series.

I prefer (and *love*) this render:
I hate to break it to you but admit it. GC is much more rear heavy (aesthetically speaking). 5 and 3GTs are my reasons why it will be a failure. I hope they are reading these posts and for the first time, get the GT correct on 2 series.
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      04-02-2013, 11:25 PM   #48
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If they would just produce new E46 with a "lci" restyle to make it current and drop in a boosted N52, I would be happy. Seems that this 2GC is the closest it gets.
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      04-03-2013, 01:15 AM   #49
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I hate to break it to you but admit it. GC is much more rear heavy (aesthetically speaking). 5 and 3GTs are my reasons why it will be a failure. I hope they are reading these posts and for the first time, get the GT correct on 2 series.

Admit what? I have no idea what you are talking about. You must be confusing GC with GT -- the 5 and 3 GT are completely irrelevant to a 2-series GC.

GC are certainly not rear heavy (aesthetically or otherwise).

This thread is about the 2-series Gran Coupe.

Scott did allude to a GT (or Gran Sports Tourer/Gran Tourer) six months ago
(http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=752970), but that is a completely different vehicle and not the subject of this thread.

(And frankly on that subject, I hope they limit that to the FWD 1-series GT, of which they debuted the concept car some time ago, the BMW Concept Active Tourer, and has been spotted winter testing).
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      04-03-2013, 02:08 AM   #50
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I would either pick a coupe (which is definitely my life-choice) or a regular 4-door while convertible is the most-thrilling of all three to drive though.
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      04-03-2013, 07:56 AM   #51
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Too bad that BMW considered more important the 3 GT than the 2 series family
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      04-03-2013, 09:16 AM   #52
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The only good side to taking so long to release the 2GC that I can see is that BMW will have plenty of time to tweak it to make it very competitive against the A3 and CLA. They already know the recipe here, so they should be able to knock this one out of the park. Reading the very recent 135is reviews posted on here shows that BMW still knows how to make a basic, fast, fun sports car.

I was doing a little comparison last night, and the new A3 sedan is literally within an inch or two in every direction the same size as the e46 sedan. I've always preferred BMW's styling to Audi's, but I am not sold after seeing the new 1 series' terrible headlights. I think they're going to really have to come out swinging if they're going to recapture this market after MB and Audi have had it all to themselves for a couple years. BMW basically has to just hope that the few real enthusiasts out there will just hold on for a small RWD sedan. Audi and MB already have strikes against them in that regard due to FWD in the CLA and FWD-biased quattro in the A/S3. Add rumors of no manual trans at least in the S3's case, and BMW could still offer something very competitive here. I wouldn't count them out just for arriving late to this party.


If BMW is paying attention to trends and listening to these forums, they'll see that staying true to their heritage is way more important than anything else they'll do. Companies that stay "authentic" stay successful.
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      04-03-2013, 09:28 AM   #53
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If BMW is paying attention to trends and listening to these forums, they'll see that staying true to their heritage is way more important than anything else they'll do. Companies that stay "authentic" stay successful.
Sadly their sales numbers say otherwise...
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Sadly their sales numbers say otherwise...
Yep, making the F10 a pudgy, soft whale just made more people buy them. The days of BMW building light, nimble, relatively simple cars are all behind us.
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      04-03-2013, 10:51 AM   #55
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^^I do agree with both of you. i know the money is in giving the non-enthusiast crowd big comfy cars to park at the mall. I just think BMW is slowly trying to make something for everyone. That kind of tosses out the exclusivity notion of owning one, but I think as long as there are brands building cheaper cars like our domestic companies and Kia/Hyundai, they will always bring in the bargain shopper over BMW. It's going to be interesting to see how things play out. It seems like some companies are trying to push themselves upstream while BMW pushes itself downstream. I think the timing of the 2GC will be cool to see how it stacks up against this new WRX/STi (if it's as cool as the concept car...not likely, but here's to hoping). I'd assume they'll be roughly in the same price range, (high 30s-low 40s) and BMW is going to start having competition with cars and companies it never had before. And, I think many BMW enthusiasts will venture outside of the brand, if their needs aren't being met by BMW. Most of the BMW fans I've met are first and foremost driving enthusiasts, and that's what drew them to the brand. If they find something that appeals to their driving needs/wants more elsewhere, I can see them venturing elsewhere. At least that is true of myself.
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The current 1-series coupe is closer in length to an E46 than an E46 is to an F30.

If the 2-series GC is an inch or two longer (not unreasonable), it's really going to be sized between an E36 and E46.

Personally speaking, I would definitely be interested in a 2-series GC. Besides the M2, I find it the most exciting thing about the upcoming 2-series.

I prefer (and *love*) this render:
The blue render is beautiful. If it comes out looking like that I will definitely buy one.
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Originally Posted by jkoral
The current 1-series coupe is closer in length to an E46 than an E46 is to an F30.

If the 2-series GC is an inch or two longer (not unreasonable), it's really going to be sized between an E36 and E46.

Personally speaking, I would definitely be interested in a 2-series GC. Besides the M2, I find it the most exciting thing about the upcoming 2-series.

I prefer (and *love*) this render:
plus one. An e36/e46 sized 4 door is what is needed. An M2 gran coupe might be interesting too ....
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Yep, making the F10 a pudgy, soft whale just made more people buy them. The days of BMW building light, nimble, relatively simple cars are all behind us.
Don't believe your own hype.

The Honda ACCORD is a pudgy soft whale and yet Honda still makes light simple fun cars like the Fit.

Every manufacturer is making cars lighter, and also moving towards turbocharging , including BMW.

The e82 1 series is the first step for bmw badged models and more models coming in the 2er lineup because the 3 series simply moved up market like the Accord.

The f20 135 in Europe is a roaring success and no doubt the 235 and M2 will be here as well.

The "BMW lost their way" complaint lost its legs about 2 years ago when the 1M came out. They are expanding and bringing out more models with a greater variety than ever and the small sedan segment is ripe for a light and nimble 2 series sedan.

In addition, We have already seen rumors of a possible z2....
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Thanks Scott.

That is extemely dissapointing. I am not sure how this is considered "fast track"
For us in the US, 2015 Calendar German launch means we won't see the car until Spring / Summer 2015 as a MY2016

I am guessing now that the M2 GC won't happen for another year after that so now we are talking MY 2017 for that car.. How does it even make sense? Those cars are derived from the current F20/F21 architecture, yet by the time they arrive, the will be based on a car that will be 5-6 years old by then.

That's like launching the new M3/M4 6 years into the new 3/4 series life cycle.
Pretty lame if you ask me. I am one of those people who were willing to order an M2 GC sight unseen before even seeing a prototype. But I can't wait that long. Audi S3 here I come

Wow. That's a lot of drama.

You just talked yourself into buying an Audi by creating your own rumors!
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Don't believe your own hype.

The Honda ACCORD is a pudgy soft whale and yet Honda still makes light simple fun cars like the Fit.

Every manufacturer is making cars lighter, and also moving towards turbocharging , including BMW.

The e82 1 series is the first step for bmw badged models and more models coming in the 2er lineup because the 3 series simply moved up market like the Accord.

The f20 135 in Europe is a roaring success and no doubt the 235 and M2 will be here as well.

The "BMW lost their way" complaint lost its legs about 2 years ago when the 1M came out. They are expanding and bringing out more models with a greater variety than ever and the small sedan segment is ripe for a light and nimble 2 series sedan.

In addition, We have already seen rumors of a possible z2....
Haha, Z2. That's only been a rumor since the first Z4 came out. But I don't totally disagree with you, the 1M was a great car, but they built, what 5k worldwide? While they pump out tons of soft F30's, F10's and SUV's. The fact is that they used to sell great cars in volume, now you have to really search for them and many are limited runs.

This certainly helps create demand for the good cars, but after selling my previous M Coupe, I haven't found a BMW that seems like a good replacement. My wife's 135i was meant to be replaced by an F30, but it was a disappointing drive and she ended up with an X1 instead.

There was a time that a 3er, really any version, was a safe choice to be the best car to drive in the class. Now Cadillac (?!) makes that car and Audi and MB are certainly either closer or ahead of BMW in the fun to drive category.

I think there's huge opportunity for a 2er sedan / grand coupe to make a big impact and restore some of the uncomplicated, direct driving fun that many of us grew up enjoying about BMW. Frankly, I look forward to it.

As an aside, Honda largely fixed the Accord with the current generation, and it sells better, even though it's not as cushy or heavy. Let's hope the entire round of future BMW's goes this direction, not the continuation of diluting the main product while offering a few gems.
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Wow. That's a lot of drama.

You just talked yourself into buying an Audi by creating your own rumors!
Where is the rumor I created exactly? My "drama" is based on Scott's response that tells us that the 2er Gran Coupe has been "fast tracked" to calendar 2015.
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New rendering of 2 Gran Coupe! What do you think of this?



Source: autoevolution.com
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      09-09-2013, 12:10 PM   #63
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New rendering of 2 Gran Coupe! What do you think of this?



Source: autoevolution.com
I like it a lot.
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Now make it an M2 GC Bmw!
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New rendering of 2 Gran Coupe! What do you think of this?



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Looks great.
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      09-15-2013, 04:06 PM   #66
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Sexy! Gc m2 will be excellent
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