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      11-20-2014, 03:10 PM   #45
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Don't think it'll affect sales much though.
Nope.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...item=node__804

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Global sales increase 11.1% with 184,297 deliveries worldwide

Year-to-date deliveries up 7.0% to 1,714,197 vehicles
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      11-20-2014, 03:36 PM   #46
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Having driven a 428, 435, and the new M3 this year, I must say that the M235 left the biggest impression on me. Super fun to drive and great value.
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      11-20-2014, 03:39 PM   #47
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Not surprised after they took the real M out of the BMW line up.
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      11-20-2014, 03:50 PM   #48
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Not surprised, the 2 series is everything the 3 series used to be. The M2 will likely be the best car in BMWs lineup
Agreed. Except for one thing. Those damn mirrors are so small. But besides that it's great.
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      11-20-2014, 04:23 PM   #49
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So is the 2-series GC coming out??? I would trade in my F30 for that.
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So is the 2-series GC coming out??? I would trade in my F30 for that.
I'm thinking no, based on confirmation that a 1 series sedan will be here for 2016... sadly FWD. I really don't see them having a 1er sedan and a 2er GC.
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I'm thinking no, based on confirmation that a 1 series sedan will be here for 2016... sadly FWD. I really don't see them having a 1er sedan and a 2er GC.
You're probably right...

It would also cannibalize many 3-series sales.
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Hopefully this is a wake up call to BMW.
No doubt !

2 SERIES GRAN COUPE for the win.
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"Among the 10 selected, the M235i is the only BMW, replacing the 3-series and ending its long reign. For the first time in more than two decades."

Yup... the F30 was/is a complete fail. After my E92 M3, I would have to consider the new M2 over the M4.
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Not surprising, better value and more fun to drive than the 3. 3 is still obviously a good car, and nobody in C&D will argue (much) that it's a better "drivers car" than when ranked at the top of their admittedly very strong list and the M235 is.

What I really take from this list is that BMW needs to take a look at the CTS because its on the list and the f30 isn't.
Ummm don't get too ahead of yourself. By the same logic they apparently would also need to look at Mazda also.

I can't agree that a Mazda 6 is better than a BMW m3/m4 or 3 series. Nope. Sorry.
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Anyone else notice the e46 m3 had under 5k miles on it...
Please sell it to me !!!
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Hopefully this is a wake up call to BMW.
I empathize with the sentiment- but I can't imagine that BMW (who are seeing record sales), views themselves as in need of a wake up call.
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      11-20-2014, 05:30 PM   #57
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Not surprised, the 2 series is everything the 3 series used to be. The M2 will likely be the best car in BMWs lineup
That pretty much says it. The 3-4 has just become too big.
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I sat in a 2 last week and it felt kinda cramped compared to my E46.
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And I agree 'M235i' is a convoluted name.
nah - just de-badge the thing.
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No doubt !

2 SERIES GRAN COUPE for the win.
egad m8. you've drunk the Gran Coupe Kool-Aid.
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I am waiting for the 0 series.

the BMW 010i X Drive M-Sport will have 0.8L 2 banger turbo.


you sir have won this thread
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Good news but it sad that after 23 years the 3 series is not on that list anymore
I think what they told us was that, after 23 years, the 3 series is no longer the 3 series it used to be. Having driven numerous loaners, I can readily attest to this conclusion.

Great news about the M235 and I'm psyched about the M2!
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... and an eagerness to romp that’s been suppressed in the current 3.
Except for the M3/M4, obv.
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I agree that the current F30 shouldn't make the list...but replacing it with the M235i? That thing is just as soft as the F30...Shouldn't be anywhere near that list in my opinion.
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The 3 series was due to fall off my list. It feels as big as an older 5 series.
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Ummm don't get too ahead of yourself. By the same logic they apparently would also need to look at Mazda also.

I can't agree that a Mazda 6 is better than a BMW m3/m4 or 3 series. Nope. Sorry.
Not really. The Accord has been on this list longer than any car, yet BMW isn't looking at the Accord as the benchmark. Cadillac is looking at the 3 series as its competition and are aiming at those buyers. Honda and Mazda buyers are not looking at BMW.
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