[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

So far, I haven't been that lucky - the best I have been offered off MSRP for the F80 is 2K, and that's all the way in CA. My local dealer won't budge from 1K off...so waiting might very well be in the cards.

Well today is the last day to order a 2015 and get them discounts buddy!!!

Any M3/M4 order starting tomorrow will be held off and allocated for 2016 model year production by BMW AG.

[Doctor///M]

Originally Posted by UpNcOmINg!

By the time the ///M2 lands, there will be ///M4's in the same price bracket, I will still be going ///M2 most likely due to the size of the car and the potential simplicity.

Things that would make me go the ///M4 route would honestly be driving feel and tunability seeing as I WILL modify whichever one I end up with.
If the ///M2 is in fact single turbo platform, I may consider going ///M4 with its twins.
There will be plenty feedback from abroad before the ///M2 lands here so I should be in a position to be well-informed enough to make the decision and stick with it.
Otherwise buy the ///M2, sell it at a premium and buy the ///M4.

Try your best to test drive your transmission of choice. The 6MT, DCT and AT all have their own feels and tweaks the character of the car - whichever you end up deciding on. Just keep in mind it's probably more difficult to restrain yourself from checking option boxes on the M4 which drives up the price considerably. No doubt the M2 will be just as, or even more track ready than the M4. Also start setting aside some track day funds...

[Doctor///M]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

Agree as soon as more details are released and feedback builds it will make the decision easier hopefully. I am going to test drive the the m235i and M4 this weekend as a starting point to gauge size and feel.

Same as above ^

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 engine: uprated N55 or a detuned S55 ?

Some now say that it will get an uprated N55 (the N55B30T0 that was already confirmed last year) which "will have some component from the new S55 unit", but will still be labeled as N55. So it's like wine and whiskey: blended.

Now what/which "S55 component" could they be hinting at ?

Perhaps the track-ready oil recirculation system that bolts on to the bottom of the cylinder block?

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

Agree as soon as more details are released and feedback builds it will make the decision easier hopefully. I am going to test drive the the m235i and M4 this weekend as a starting point to gauge size and feel.

A good gauge for size on the M4 is the previous generation 650i coupe...hence the reason one isn't sitting in my garage right now.

Having owned a E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 M3 and a 1M, I find the myself completely turned-off by the sheer size of the M4.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

A good gauge for size on the M4 is the previous generation 650i coupe...hence the reason one isn't sitting in my garage right now.

Having owned a E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 M3 and a 1M, I find the myself completely turned-off by the sheer size of the M4.

I don't really agree with that. The new Mustang is about the size of the previous gen 6 series, and that car is definitely bigger than the M4.

To me, the M4 doesn't make much sense, but the F80 DOES. It's the size of an E39 (which again, is smaller than an E63), but some people have use for that.

Having said that, as soon as I sat in the M235i, before even driving it, I already the size was absolutely spot on. Definitely one of reasons I'm so interested in the M2.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by W///

I don't really agree with that. The new Mustang is about the size of the previous gen 6 series, and that car is definitely bigger than the M4.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one amigo. To me the M4 size's and bulky lines are past the point of what I consider acceptable in a "sports car".

However, like you I can easily make a case for the M3 and find its lines much more appealing. I would consider buying one it if there was no M2 on the horizon. Manual transmission please

I will tell you that the more seat time I spend in M235i's, the more I walk away convinced that the M2 will deliver the goods

[///Mobbin]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

I will tell you that the more seat time I spend in M235i's, the more I walk away convinced that the M2 will deliver the goods

I just test drove an M235i for the first time this morning and tend to agree. The handling and power exceeded my expectations which leads me to believe the M2 is sure to deliver!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

A good gauge for size on the M4 is the previous generation 650i coupe...hence the reason one isn't sitting in my garage right now.

Having owned a E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 M3 and a 1M, I find the myself completely turned-off by the sheer size of the M4.

+1 Former E30 m3 and current 1m owner here. The f8x is like a boat to me.

I wish BMW would get hip to this and make an 2 series gran coupe for those of us that want a 4 door sedan in e36/e46 proportions.

[UpNcOmINg!]

Originally Posted by Doctor///M

Try your best to test drive your transmission of choice. The 6MT, DCT and AT all have their own feels and tweaks the character of the car - whichever you end up deciding on. Just keep in mind it's probably more difficult to restrain yourself from checking option boxes on the M4 which drives up the price considerably. No doubt the M2 will be just as, or even more track ready than the M4. Also start setting aside some track day funds...

Yeah I know I'll go for MT.
Drove a DCT again recently and it just solidified the fact that I want manual even further.
I will go and drive an new ///M DCT and manual though again soon.
And damn straight, will already start a fuel and tyre fund! This baby WILL see the track!

[Romo]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazey82 View Post
Agree as soon as more details are released and feedback builds it will make the decision easier hopefully. I am going to test drive the the m235i and M4 this weekend as a starting point to gauge size and feel.
A good gauge for size on the M4 is the previous generation 650i coupe...hence the reason one isn't sitting in my garage right now.

Having owned a E30 M3, E36 M3, E46 M3 and a 1M, I find the myself completely turned-off by the sheer size of the M4.

+1 Former E30 m3 and current 1m owner here. The f8x is like a boat to me.

I wish BMW would get hip to this and make an 2 series gran coupe for those of us that want a 4 door sedan in e36/e46 proportions.

+2

Having owned a E46 M3, E92 M3, currently a E82 1M and a 981 Cayman GTS, I will never want a big bulky car again.
The E92 M3 was already too big IMHO, but I really discovered it`s size the minute I had the chance to testdrive the 1M.........it was love at 1st sight, and I did buy one instantly, by far the best Bimmer I`ve driven.
This is the very reason I left the M4at the dealer instead in my garage. Too big, too bulky, too much lines, too much muscle car like, gone small feeling, nimbleness and agility.

The coming M2 has do the the job just fine IMO.........it wil be better on all aspects mentioned above.

[Doctor///M]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

+1 Former E30 m3 and current 1m owner here. The f8x is like a boat to me.

I wish BMW would get hip to this and make an 2 series gran coupe for those of us that want a 4 door sedan in e36/e46 proportions.

I hear to this. I was surprised as to the increase in cabin space compared to my E90.

Boat, yes and no depending on perspective. The weight savings are noticeable, especially on the track and under hard braking. The major upside for me is that the F80 just works with anything you can throw at it, including the occasional Home Depot run.

Although I'm not immediately interested in an M2, the possibility that BMW hits it out of the park might make me try to convince the wife to upgrade her DD.

I can also sense Scott26's frustrations with our neverending speculation threads...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Romo

Having owned a E46 M3, E92 M3, currently a E82 1M and a 981 Cayman GTS, I will never want a big bulky car again.
The E92 M3 was already too big IMHO, but I really discovered it`s size the minute I had the chance to testdrive the 1M.........it was love at 1st sight, and I did buy one instantly, by far the best Bimmer I`ve driven.
This is the very reason I left the M4at the dealer instead in my garage. Too big, too bulky, too much lines, too much muscle car like, gone small feeling, nimbleness and agility.
The coming M2 has do the the job just fine IMO.........it wil be better on all aspects mentioned above.

+1

May the M2 be nimble and zippy.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Doctor///M

I hear to this. I was surprised as to the increase in cabin space compared to my E90.

Boat, yes and no depending on perspective. The weight savings are noticeable, especially on the track and under hard braking. The major upside for me is that the F80 just works with anything you can throw at it, including the occasional Home Depot run.

Although I'm not immediately interested in an M2, the possibility that BMW hits it out of the park might make me try to convince the wife to upgrade her DD.

I can also sense Scott26's frustrations with our neverending speculation threads...

It is a yes and no... But weight is always a no for me.

Yes the f80 is lower in weight than the e90 and I am happy for that. However the e9x m3 was too heavy a car itself!


I was lucky enough to go to Germany and meet many M engineers as the 1M was being completed. All of the M engineers were excited abut the power of the e9x. I told them that I don't like the cars getting heavier and their response was that the car is very powerful and fast! I agree, however the weight is still there and it is simply not as nimble as it should be.


I don't want such a large footprint vehicle. I don't need it taking more space in my garage than a 1series or e30. I don't need the larger size when parking. I certainly don't need the larger size or weight while on track. Finally, I don't need a vehicle that is an appropriate size for a commute with a group of people that car pool.


Look at the listing of cars in the companion thread about what people are driving when they are waiting for their m2. Tons of people with e36 m3 and m3/4 and e46 owners.

[Doctor///M]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It is a yes and no... But weight is always a no for me.


Yes the f80 is lower in weight than the e90 and I am happy for that. However the e9x m3 was too heavy a car itself!



I was lucky enough to go to Germany and meet many M engineers as the 1M was being completed. All of the M engineers were excited abut the power of the e9x. I told them that I don't like the cars getting heavier and their response was that the car is very powerful and fast! I agree, however the weight is still there and it is simply not as nimble as it should be.



I don't want such a large footprint vehicle. I don't need it taking more space in my garage than a 1series or e30. I don't need the larger size when parking. I certainly don't need the larger size or weight while on track. Finally, I don't need a vehicle that is an appropriate size for a commute with a group of people that car pool.



Look at the listing of cars in the companion thread about what people are driving when they are waiting for their m2. Tons of people with e36 m3 and m3/4 and e46 owners.

Agreed. I do think that BMW recognizes the weight conundrum (as opposed to AMG power everything), and they're in an odd place to compete with cabin space offered by their competitors. I'm at least glad that BMW still opts to research, test and build cars for true enthusiasts.