[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

I honestly think the A/CLA 45 will be totally outgunned by the other two. That is, unless AMG comes out with a performance/competition/LCI model in a year or two with a significant bump in hp. As it stands now, the S3 is just as quick and maneuverable.

The s3 traps 110+?

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

The s3 traps 110+?

The CLA 45 does?

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

Shit brosef, you can pay 60k for a freaking Hyundai these days

Still a ford

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Still a ford

Not a big fan of this attitude, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Out of all the automakers right now, I'd say ford has been the most impressive as of late. By a long shot.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Still a ford

What kind of comment is that?

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Not a big fan of this attitude, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Out of all the automakers right now, I'd say ford has been the most impressive as of late. By a long shot.

Attitude? Since when did ford start making luxury & sports cars? Yea the mustang is the only iconic car ford made but thats about it.

Maybe in Europe, the ford brand is different. Here in Merica, its just a ford and you cant compare a ford to a bmw/benz/audi, its a different league...face it

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Attitude? Since when did ford start making luxury & sports cars? Yea the mustang is the only iconic car ford made but thats about it.

Maybe in Europe, the ford brand is different. Here in Merica, its just a ford and you cant compare a ford to a bmw/benz/audi, its a different league...face it

As in "oh it's still a ford", not saying you're wrong for thinking that way, but I don't agree with that reasoning.

Only iconic ford? Um, have you heard of the ford GT? Did you see the new one, that is absolutely breathtaking?

[Mark's M]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

As in "oh it's still a ford", not saying you're wrong for thinking that way, but I don't agree with that reasoning.

Only iconic ford? Um, have you heard of the ford GT? Did you see the new one, that is absolutely breathtaking?

Don't waste your breath Alex. Mindless posts not worth a response, just trolling for trouble.

[Variance]

Originally Posted by RocketJohn

Not even the same class of car. No one cross shops these two.

Toss me under "nobody", then. My current "short list" for my next new car includes the M2, Focus RS, and Mustang GT350 (and the used list extends into even more classes). Many consumers (especially enthusiasts) do not cross-shop within one single class of car.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Still a ford

Yep, still a Ford. And so is this:


And so is this:


And let's not go to the Le Mans winners.

[vladberca]

The new GT can easy stay near Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren!
But I still prefer the hot hatch compact class

[Advevo]

It would be nice if i had some more garage space

1M Coupe
M2 Coupe
Porsche Cayman GT4
Focus RS

and my rally car E30 M3 gr A.

the stones already had a song which suits me. You can t always get what you want

[mvallido]

I'll probably get one just because my first car was an RS2000 Series X with 4 mikuni carbs.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Still a ford

My parents almost always buy Fords and have had great autos for 40 years. They strayed a couple years ago and bought a Honda...had nothing but trouble with it and last week traded it in on a Lincoln. Don't think they will ever stray from Ford again.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Attitude? Since when did ford start making luxury & sports cars? Yea the mustang is the only iconic car ford made but thats about it.

Maybe in Europe, the ford brand is different. Here in Merica, its just a ford and you cant compare a ford to a bmw/benz/audi, its a different league...face it

Only in your mind. People buy cars for different reasons. People will not buy a car they personally think is unattractive. If someone has a bad experience with a car they will always say never again and this happens with German luxury vehicles frequently enough too.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

Mid $40k for a ford? What are we smoking here

I cars price tag is based on what goes in it. I high powered engine and smooth shifting transmission being one. I paid what I paid for my 228i for those two things. However I have seen nicer interiors in 23,000 Fords than what my BMW has. Why shouldnt Ford charge allot for a car they have put allot into and performs as well as German counter parts?

[Devon K]

The OP is wrong in stating that the RS will ship with 320 hp - figures have not been released yet but Ford has said it will have "substantially more than 316 hp". Most Euro estimates have it up around 340-350. And ford has emphasized that their new AWD is quite light - it's certainly not going to add 200 lbs to the weight of the car, more likely 60-70 lbs.

This will likely come in a few $k lower than the Golf R and blow it out of the water from a performance standpoint - Ford is claiming 1G lateral cornering force with their system, which unlike the Golf R's does not solely rely on brake-based torque vectoring to eliminate understeer. It won't be as refined or have as nice an interior as the Golf, but is does have user-selectable damper settings for comfort/track, and the grins per mile quotient could be better - some reviewers (e.g. Jeremy Clarkson) find the R, while very capable, a bit boring to drive.

I'll cross-shop this - it's about the value for the buck - if this gives me 90% of what I'd get from an M2 for $25k less I will be interested. A big concern for me though is the near-horizontal rake of the windshield on the Focus; I hate that type of design with a passion and am not sure I could live with it.

[Devon K]

Originally Posted by sstarrx3

Only in your mind. People buy cars for different reasons. People will not buy a car they personally think is unattractive. If someone has a bad experience with a car they will always say never again and this happens with German luxury vehicles frequently enough too.

The latest reliability ratings from JD Power have Ford near the top of the heap, well ahead of - guess who - BMW...

[Delnari]

Originally Posted by Variance

Toss me under "nobody", then. My current "short list" for my next new car includes the M2, Focus RS, and Mustang GT350 (and the used list extends into even more classes). Many consumers (especially enthusiasts) do not cross-shop within one single class of car.

I like these 3 choices indeed. Had a new Ford Mustang GT go by this morning on the way to work. Really like the look of it on the open road. If I can manage to hold on to my current salary for another 2 years then the GT350 or M2 is in my cards. The RS would not be a much lower choice for sure.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by wjones14

What kind of comment is that?

It's what I call a fanboy comment.

If a car is great, it is great. Still a ford? Still great.

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

It's what I call a fanboy comment.

If a car is great, it is great. Still a ford? Still great.

lol Im not a fanboy, the convo started that someone estimated the RS to be in the mid $40k so I reply saying that its stupid expensive for a Ford....and it ended up here

Im entitle to my opinion and a ford is just a ford for me, nothing special....well not $45k special

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Yep, still a Ford. And so is this:
[IMG]http://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/...rd-gt-4778.jpg[/IMG]

And so is this:
[IMG]http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...-1600x1200.jpg[/IMG]

And let's not go to the Le Mans winners.

A car with only 20 years history is not that iconic, yes I know the race car was but the street versions history isnt that long....dont get me wrong, not saying its not a great car

So we have the mustang and this...ok, what else?