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      01-15-2015, 12:35 PM   #45
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I'm too lazy to trace through the F80/F82 threads but how long before production started on those did they make the official reveal with pricing?
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N55 w pricing probably close to m3... Color me unimpressed.
Same here. I hope everyone is wrong and it has something other than the N55. I'm hugely interested in it. However if it has an N55 I'll pass in favor of a Cayman.
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Let's assume the car costs 55k... for 62k, you get an M3 which overall will have far more standard features and a power plant on another level. The 1m was special in comparo to the older m3 because you received a turbo motor... here everything will be subpar.
Disagree. On both counts.
The 1M was not more special than the E9x M3 because it had a standard turbo motor. It was very special because of its playful character, great handling, back to the basics approach. And it happened to be a limited run.

While I'm super excited about the M2, I'm still waiting to see the final specs, including the price. I couldn't care less about standard features, don't want them. If you drive an F80, and then jump into the M235i, the size of the 2er felt so much more "right". It's so much more of a 1 to 1 replacement for my E36. That's not to say an F80 is off the menu for me.

P.S. I personally doubt that the car will start at 55k, but we'll see
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Interesting to see the 365-380 hp estimation.
The new C450 AMG is confirmed to be powered by a 370hp engine.
If the new 440i is to be powered by a similar power engine, then it means the new M240i should be powered with 370hp aprox... which doesn't make sense.

I wonder what BMW is planing for the new inline 6 engine...
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Same here. I hope everyone is wrong and it has something other than the N55. I'm hugely interested in it. However if it has an N55 I'll pass in favor of a Cayman.
I'd do a Cayman all day, but not the base one. And a Cayman S with minimal options always come out to $70k plus when I build them online. So that's also a no go for me.

Hate to say it, but you might as well look elsewhere, because the N55 is more or less guaranteed.
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Disagree. On both counts.
The 1M was not more special than the E9x M3 because it had a standard turbo motor. It was very special because of its playful character, great handling, back to the basics approach. And it happened to be a limited run.


I disagree partially here. To some, the turbo motor was a massive differentiator and people welcomed the shorter chassis (for whatever reason) with a torquey motor.


While I'm super excited about the M2, I'm still waiting to see the final specs, including the price. I couldn't care less about standard features, don't want them. If you drive an F80, and then jump into the M235i, the size of the 2er felt so much more "right". It's so much more of a 1 to 1 replacement for my E36. That's not to say an F80 is off the menu for me.

I'll put it to you this way, I have a 1 series, had a 3... wish I could have a 3 again as it is a much better, much more stable chassis... the shorter chassis does nothing for the car other than make it more sloppy and squirrely. That very thing was said about the 1m. As far as weight, this is BMW... I wouldn't put any "weight on that".

P.S. I personally doubt that the car will start at 55k, but we'll see
Moral of the story, some preferred the 1M over the M3 for very good reasons... there is little reason to prefer the M2 over the M3 especially if pricing isn't far off. It would be a completely different discussion if it wasn't a motor that has been recycled 10 times now and the M3 wasn't vastly superior.
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Honestly if the M2 started as high as 55k, you could probably get close to ED invoice on an M3 by the time these start getting delivered for not much more.
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One of my biggest complaints with my 235 is how soft it feels - if M3 underpinnings help alleviate that, I will be really interested. But I too am not the biggest N55 fan. Hope BMW can dial up some magic.



I am counting on 55k and hope to be surprised with a lower starting point and a minimalist approach, ala 1M.
Let's assume the car costs 55k... for 62k, you get an M3 which overall will have far more standard features and a power plant on another level. The 1m was special in comparo to the older m3 because you received a turbo motor... here everything will be subpar.
The 1M was special compared to the E9x M3 because it received a 135/335/535 engine!? Am I reading this right!? :
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One of my biggest complaints with my 235 is how soft it feels - if M3 underpinnings help alleviate that, I will be really interested. But I too am not the biggest N55 fan. Hope BMW can dial up some magic.



I am counting on 55k and hope to be surprised with a lower starting point and a minimalist approach, ala 1M.
Let's assume the car costs 55k... for 62k, you get an M3 which overall will have far more standard features and a power plant on another level. The 1m was special in comparo to the older m3 because you received a turbo motor... here everything will be subpar.
The 1M was special compared to the E9x M3 because it received a 135/335/535 engine!? Am I reading this right!? :
Some prefer a turbo motor and it was the only M car with one at the time... In some ways that is special... but more of a differentiator than being special.
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I'd do a Cayman all day, but not the base one. And a Cayman S with minimal options always come out to $70k plus when I build them online. So that's also a no go for me.

Hate to say it, but you might as well look elsewhere, because the N55 is more or less guaranteed.
If I'm going to do a Cayman it'd be a GT4. I like the idea of the M2 because deep down I still have hope in a proper smallish BMW that will reignite the flame that was once BMW. If not as you stated I'll go GT4. Price point isn't a concern to me as much as the quality of the car.
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One of my biggest complaints with my 235 is how soft it feels - if M3 underpinnings help alleviate that, I will be really interested. But I too am not the biggest N55 fan. Hope BMW can dial up some magic.



I am counting on 55k and hope to be surprised with a lower starting point and a minimalist approach, ala 1M.
Let's assume the car costs 55k... for 62k, you get an M3 which overall will have far more standard features and a power plant on another level. The 1m was special in comparo to the older m3 because you received a turbo motor... here everything will be subpar.
The 1M was special compared to the E9x M3 because it received a 135/335/535 engine!? Am I reading this right!? :
Some prefer a turbo motor and it was the only M car with one at the time... In some ways that is special... but more of a differentiator than being special.
Oh, I see what you mean now.
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Some prefer a turbo motor and it was the only M car with one at the time... In some ways that is special... but more of a differentiator than being special.
Well you said special, not that they were different. Anyway, to each and their own. I agree that there needs to be a decent gap between the M2 and M3 in price, but you won't find me saying "I wish I had a bigger car" so that they are more stable.
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Base $49,900. Lemme see it!! I'll throw my M235i in and some.
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If I'm going to do a Cayman it'd be a GT4. I like the idea of the M2 because deep down I still have hope in a proper smallish BMW that will reignite the flame that was once BMW. If not as you stated I'll go GT4. Price point isn't a concern to me as much as the quality of the car.
Oh if price point isn't a concern, I honestly can't think of a car I'd want as much as a GT4. That thing is going to make history.

But considering it'll prob be twice what an M2 costs, it unfortunately won't make it into my garage for many more years. You're fortunate to have that option!
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Surprised with this news that we didn't see its reveal at the Detroit auto show.
BMW doesn't need to hype the M2.
They'll sell every one they can weld together, publicity or no publicity.
Should be a freakin' great little car.
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Here's to hoping those ridiculous 1M values to come down.
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Oh if price point isn't a concern, I honestly can't think of a car I'd want as much as a GT4. That thing is going to make history.

But considering it'll prob be twice what an M2 costs, it unfortunately won't make it into my garage for many more years. You're fortunate to have that option!
Thanks for your input buddy that is much appreciated.
And for the last sentence I certainly am. I am far from being "super rich" but seeing where I came from a few years back I thank go every day for what I've achieved using just an idea and a little money.
Cheers good sir and thanks again!
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Well you said special, not that they were different. Anyway, to each and their own. I agree that there needs to be a decent gap between the M2 and M3 in price, but you won't find me saying "I wish I had a bigger car" so that they are more stable.
In Canada there was a $15-16k difference between a stripped M3 coupe with performance pack($74-75k) and the 1M($59-60k), if there's the same difference between these two new models(M4 and M2), that would put the M2 a good $10k over the price of a base CLA45(50-51k) AMG, not sure what could justify that!
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Here's to hoping those ridiculous 1M values to come down.
They will come down a little, maybe.....but not much becAuse of limited availability. That's one of the things that makes the 1m so special. The other, IMO is that BMW made it in the first place. They took their little 1 series threw the M3 suspension on it, made it look mean as hell and bam!!!! Classic. I'd take the M2 over the M3 for two reasons. Two doors over 4 and size. It should be a car that is more of a drivers car, something that is fun to throw around corners. Can't wait.
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One of my biggest complaints with my 235 is how soft it feels - if M3 underpinnings help alleviate that, I will be really interested. But I too am not the biggest N55 fan. Hope BMW can dial up some magic.



I am counting on 55k and hope to be surprised with a lower starting point and a minimalist approach, ala 1M.
Let's assume the car costs 55k... for 62k, you get an M3 which overall will have far more standard features and a power plant on another level. The 1m was special in comparo to the older m3 because you received a turbo motor... here everything will be subpar.
The 1M was special compared to the E9x M3 because it received a 135/335/535 engine!? Am I reading this right!? :
The 1m was only special due to low numbers, otherwise it was nothing but a quasi m car.
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