[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

^^^the F80 is off your list ???

Trade cars with me for a week - I will meet you at the Tail of the Dragon - my bone stock 235 with a MT is yours to play with for an entire week, including the Dragon - at which, when you are taking a corner that isn't perfectly smooth in the 235, and you realize/fear that death is imminent because the car is going to just fall off the mountain, you will be begging for the E92 to be returned to you.

I keep wondering if I have a 235 that was built on a Friday with drunken workers, because my experience hasn't been in line with what others have loved on the car. It really is a better looking, slightly bigger version of the E82. The F80, to me, is on such a different level, specifically in the chassis, suspension, and brakes department (as you mention) - to the point that I don't drive quickly on curvy roads in my 235. I feel that unconvinced in the car's abilities. On my last M4 test drive, I was taking turns in the F82 at 75 that I don't dare go over 60 in my 2er.

The M2, which will get the M3 chassis, suspension, and brakes, will definitely not have that problem, which is a really good thing.

Well I've never driven an E82 so maybe that's why there's a disconnect between what we are seeing, but Ido drive an e36 so I dunno. Granted, the M235i is a much softer car than the F80, but if you just trust it, it does exactly what you want. I thoroughly enjoyed the hell out of that thing at the autox course.

At Tail of the Dragon, I still think I'd prefer an M235i over an M3 (flamesuit on). It's just a nimbler car from my experiences... not that it means much, I'm not pretending I'm a fast driver by any means. On an autox course, mountain run, and that kind of stuff, an M235i would be my choice. On a proper track, then I'd go M3. Put those 2 together and you have an M2 which is EXACTLY what I'm looking for.

I'm damn excited about this car.

[Lt1camaro]

A general question: If im the kind of guy who mainly drives my car on the street, stop light to stop light, and dont plan on tracking often(nearest track is 4 hours away) should I even consider the M2? Or should I be looking at cars like the CLA45 or RS3?

[W///]

Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

A general question: If im the kind of guy who mainly drives my car on the street, stop light to stop light, and dont plan on tracking often(nearest track is 4 hours away) should I even consider the M2? Or should I be looking at cars like the CLA45 or RS3?

Absolutely yes. I've never needed to go to the track to enjoy my cars everyday. Now if you are expecting to beat people at lights, then the rs3 is for you. But I still believe you can enjoy the M2 everyday

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

A general question: If im the kind of guy who mainly drives my car on the street, stop light to stop light, and dont plan on tracking often(nearest track is 4 hours away) should I even consider the M2? Or should I be looking at cars like the CLA45 or RS3?

Well, are you the kind of guy that likes to do his own shifting? M2

The other two are automatics only.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

Well I've never driven an E82 so maybe that's why there's a disconnect between what we are seeing, but Ido drive an e36 so I dunno. Granted, the M235i is a much softer car than the F80, but if you just trust it, it does exactly what you want. I thoroughly enjoyed the hell out of that thing at the autox course.

At Tail of the Dragon, I still think I'd prefer an M235i over an M3 (flamesuit on). It's just a nimbler car from my experiences... not that it means much, I'm not pretending I'm a fast driver by any means. On an autox course, mountain run, and that kind of stuff, an M235i would be my choice. On a proper track, then I'd go M3. Put those 2 together and you have an M2 which is EXACTLY what I'm looking for.

I'm damn excited about this car.

I hear you.

I honestly wish you were closer because I really would give you this thing for a week - I wonder if you would have a stronger or different opinion after a great deal more time in the car.

We definitely agree that the M3 underpinnings on the M2, in the 2er size range, is going to make one hell of a car.

[Spook410]

Saw this in several places. So if the VW Golf R400 actually is going to happen and if comes to the US then it certainly has to be a consideration.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...uper-golf-gti/

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

Well, are you the kind of guy that likes to do his own shifting? M2

The other two are automatics only.

Agreed, although the DSG in the RS3 is leap years ahead of that DCT in the CLA. By all accounts, the ZF8 sport auto slushbox performs better.

[B///MW]

Most likely... nothing!
My dealer has committed to my being number 2 on their M2 allocation.

[proflex957]

Way overpriced or mechanical issues. I'll wait to trade my m235i for m2 on second year of production if those two aren't issues.

[J-Sud]

Originally Posted by proflex957

Way overpriced or mechanical issues. I'll wait to trade my m235i for m2 on second year of production if those two aren't issues.

+1

[Adem1534]

WOW. Now THAT is what I call a color scheme. Platinum Silver. All the America haters on here need to stop... this thing is gorgeous.

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

WOW. Now THAT is what I call a color scheme. Platinum Silver. All the America haters on here need to stop... this thing is gorgeous.

How many times do we have to do this dance?

[pgviper]

2016 Camaro

Release is May 16th...

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Bemo

How many times do we have to do this dance?

Ehhhh I like dancing

[AT-ST]

Originally Posted by pgviper

2016 Camaro

Release is May 16th...

Have you driven the 5th gen?

[MDIVISION]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

Manual only would stop me buying one.

Thats insane

[MDIVISION]

I already put a $5k deposit so i'm good!

[Luftwaffe1O1]

If it is too expensive, and not big enough difference between the 235 or 240 when it is out.

On the performance side, I don't think there will be an issue, where I see there potentially being a similar limit, is maybe with aftermarket tunes + bolt ons if they hit similar limits since the M2 will be using an uptuned n55 anyways.

But really assuming the car doesn't cost north of 55k for a base model, I would likely get one when my lease is up.

I mean lets face it... the likelihood of BMW screwing this up is pretty low.... the 235 is already awesome, if they lighten it up, stiffen it up, and give it more power... how could it possibly go wrong... except in price.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by AT-ST

Have you driven the 5th gen?

Not relevant, two completely different cars

[Adem1534]

Not really M2 competition

But WOW!

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by MDIVISION

Thats insane

Not really, my wife drives the car 90% of the time taking it to work and back, a manual would be a PITA for her, and the M DCT is a masterpiece when your "on it"

My toy car, a Renault Clio V6 is a 6MT and provides my thrills on hot summers days.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

Not really, my wife drives the car 90% of the time taking it to work and back, a manual would be a PITA for her, and the M DCT is a masterpiece when your "on it"

My toy car, a Renault Clio V6 is a 6MT and provides my thrills on hot summers days.

Seems like an M235i would be a better fit?