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      10-09-2017, 02:21 PM   #23
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Silly comparison. Try doing the same run 10 times in a row and I'd be surprised if the 2-series even finishes.

Racing is all about being fast lap after lap after lap.
Or even 0-60 more than one or two pulls. Can you imagine the 240, M2, M3, or any car from BMW being able to do this?

This is something that you?d expect a 200k sports car to do. Let?s be real though, now owner of a car, even one that does many track days will ever do this.
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Silly comparison. Try doing the same run 10 times in a row and I'd be surprised if the 2-series even finishes.

Racing is all about being fast lap after lap after lap.
I spent a whole day at performance driving school doing everting from drag races, autocross laps, and other activities while absolutely flooring the glass pedal every time. Not one problem launching it hard over 50 times per day that weekend.

Do you have proof that the 240 couldnt do it 10x?
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Silly comparison. Try doing the same run 10 times in a row and I'd be surprised if the 2-series even finishes.

Racing is all about being fast lap after lap after lap.
Silly comment. For this price, M240i offers quite a lot in terms of performance and quality.
RWD or x- drive for different customer needs.
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This is something that you?d expect a 200k sports car to do. Let?s be real though, now owner of a car, even one that does many track days will ever do this.
Except that my 981 could do it too...and it was far south of 100K, much less 200. It comes down to the engineering. I don't think my F80 could do it, and it was only a couple grand cheaper than my Cayman S...
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      10-09-2017, 03:56 PM   #27
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I spent a whole day at performance driving school doing everting from drag races, autocross laps, and other activities that while absolutely flooring the glass pedal every time. Not one problem launching it hard over 50 times per day that weekend.

Do you have proof that the 240 couldnt do it 10x?
The 911 did it closer to 50 times, so....what would 10 X's even mean? It's 1/5 the car?

I had a 235 for about 17 months...I experienced limp mode on more than one occasion, just by having some spirited runs on the highway. So...perhaps mine was just a lemon, or the one you drove was more robust somehow.

Except...folks on the forum have talked extensively about issues with various BMWs going into limp mode on track. Anecdotally, I would expect that my experience is more common than yours...
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      10-09-2017, 04:16 PM   #28
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There was quite an altitude change so the turbo motor of the 2-series would obviously perform better as the altitude increased over the N/A Aston or the supercharged jaguar since the turbo could spin faster to make up for the decreasing atmospheric pressure. It would have less of a power drop-off with altitude.

It would be interesting to see how they did on a track closer to sea level with no altitude change.
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      10-09-2017, 04:21 PM   #29
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I had a 235 for about 17 months...I experienced limp mode on more than one occasion, just by having some spirited runs on the highway. So...perhaps mine was just a lemon, or the one you drove was more robust somehow.

Except...folks on the forum have talked extensively about issues with various BMWs going into limp mode on track. Anecdotally, I would expect that my experience is more common than yours...
Interesting. I have yet to personally experience this "limp mode" after 40k kms of highway tours and 2 HPDE events, and over 30k now with full bolt-on mods and water/meth.. Haven't seen or heard of "limp mode" while tracking, on an m235/40, or even a 228i w/ THP in the 2 years I've lurked this forum .

Sucks your car was a lemon, but don't generalize your experience with the ladder, your car simply sucked, apparently..
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Wow surprised how well the M240i did.
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      10-09-2017, 08:39 PM   #31
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Silly comparison. Try doing the same run 10 times in a row and I'd be surprised if the 2-series even finishes.

Racing is all about being fast lap after lap after lap.
Silly comment.

So you are saying that the Jag and Aston are made to run lap after lap but the M240 is not?

As an ex-Jag owner I am surprised that lasted that lap. Jag is a nice car but not the most reliable I have ever owned. Just saying...

So, I spend a fraction for the BMW and get behind the Aston by 0.some seconds and have fun by stressing out the guy ahead of me?

I TAKE IT, THANK YOU!
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      10-09-2017, 08:58 PM   #33
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Interesting. I have yet to personally experience this "limp mode" after 40k kms of highway tours and 2 HPDE events, and over 30k now with full bolt-on mods and water/meth.. Haven't seen or heard of "limp mode" while tracking, on an m235/40, or even a 228i w/ THP in the 2 years I've lurked this forum .

Sucks your car was a lemon, but don't generalize your experience with the ladder, your car simply sucked, apparently..
Same here, fbo, wmi, and e35 on occasion. 2 track days with 100 minutes seat time both times and no issues at all.

Regularly drive it like a sports car even when it's 80, 90, 100 degrees out. I've never had limp mode or experienced anything like it.
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Considering prices and power difference, I'd say the m240i did a hell of a job! M2 would have killed it.
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Silly comparison. Try doing the same run 10 times in a row and I'd be surprised if the 2-series even finishes.

Racing is all about being fast lap after lap after lap.
I spent a whole day at performance driving school doing everting from drag races, autocross laps, and other activities while absolutely flooring the glass pedal every time. Not one problem launching it hard over 50 times per day that weekend.

Do you have proof that the 240 couldnt do it 10x?
Ya well I've seen BMWs give up the ghost at BMW HP driving school so what's your point?
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Silly comparison. Try doing the same run 10 times in a row and I'd be surprised if the 2-series even finishes.

Racing is all about being fast lap after lap after lap.
Silly comment.

So you are saying that the Jag and Aston are made to run lap after lap but the M240 is not?

As an ex-Jag owner I am surprised that lasted that lap. Jag is a nice car but not the most reliable I have ever owned. Just saying...

So, I spend a fraction for the BMW and get behind the Aston by 0.some seconds and have fun by stressing out the guy ahead of me?

I TAKE IT, THANK YOU!
There's nothing stopping you from believing that a factory spec M240 is going to turn faster laps vs the Aston on The Ring.
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Well, this thread certainly rolled down the hill rather quickly...
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Ya well I've seen BMWs give up the ghost at BMW HP driving school so what's your point?
The point is that both of y'alls anecdotal evidence is bullshit
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      10-10-2017, 04:46 PM   #41
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I've noticed rather more disrespect and rudeness here than I'd have expected from a group of people interested in BMWs, and especially the 2-series.
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Or even 0-60 more than one or two pulls. Can you imagine the 240, M2, M3, or any car from BMW being able to do this?

Are you saying the BMWs will fail due to heat soak?
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Are you saying the BMWs will fail due to heat soak?
Or something else. Give it a shot, 40 or 50 times in a row....
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Good showing by the M240i..

But the car is a completely different league than the other two when it comes to looks/sounds/road presence. This is a dumb comparison, same comparison can be made for a base Kia Optima and top of the line Minivan with a 300hp V6 and most likely show the same laptimes, but who would cross shop those two. :P Hahah!

Now before I have someone jump on me about the price difference.. many cars may compete on a "track" but vary hugely with price points such as a Z06 to a 488. Or an older C6 Z06 and a newer F80 M3.
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