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      06-29-2014, 12:12 PM   #23
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sport+ is always drivetrain and chassis because it is not configurable
That's correct, perhaps I should have said remains...

But since that is the case, I don't see a point in having two settings be the same, save for the DTC.
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      06-29-2014, 12:18 PM   #24
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Case in point why BMW has to water down those systems. And you actually drive M235i ?
what are you talking about?
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      06-29-2014, 12:22 PM   #25
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As previously mentioned, there is no difference between Sport and Sport + except the disablement of DSC.
Ignorance of North American BMW buyers is truly overwhelming and embarrassing in this thread. Yes, it pisses me off because it influenced BMW decision to make my car less customizable and thus inferior. Here is the screenshot where you set up Sport Mode to your liking:




You can make the suspension and steering harder (Chassis Only).

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You can make the engine louder, throttle more responsive and automatic gearshift faster (Drivetrain Only).

OR

you can make both changes at the same time (Drivetrain & Chassis) which effectively means Sport mode will be identical to Sport+ except the latter has DTC on.
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      06-29-2014, 12:44 PM   #26
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Sport:
Chassis (configureable on idrive)
Drivetrain (configureable on idrive)
Chassis & Drivetrain (configureable on idrive)

Sport +:
Chassis & Drivetrain + DTC (fixed)

given that the default sport setting is (chassis and drivetrain) for 95% users sport+ = sport & DTC

that's what i'm saying
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      06-29-2014, 01:11 PM   #27
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Ok, anyone notice the exhaust is eletronically controlling the exhaust flaps in Sports/+ mode?

I can hear this loud exhaust note in S mode when it changes gears...or is this all active sound?
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      06-29-2014, 01:16 PM   #28
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yes exhaust is louder in any sport mode.... whether is active sound or not, not sure?

you can really tell that when shifting over 3.5krpm you hear the transmission fart which is not so noticeable in comfort
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yes exhaust is louder in any sport mode.... whether is active sound or not, not sure?

you can really tell that when shifting over 3.5krpm you hear the transmission fart which is not so noticeable in comfort
I mean theres this vacuum sound from the exhaust when the tranny shifts gears...Im pretty sure its the electric flaps or whatever its call
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Don't want to sound like an a-hole... but i think it's just your imagination...

throttle, shift points, suspension are the same between sport and sport +
Haha I was expecting that response and perhaps you're right. However, I drive the manual version (where it makes more of a difference) and to me it has felt like the throttle is more responsive in sport+. Can anyone point me to documentation that states those things are the same?
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      06-29-2014, 01:23 PM   #31
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somebody needs to stick a gopro pointing at the exhaust and go for a spin :-D
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      06-29-2014, 01:25 PM   #32
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Haha I was expecting that response and perhaps you're right. However, I drive the manual version (where it makes more of a difference) and to me it has felt like the throttle is more responsive in sport+. Can anyone point me to documentation that states those things are the same?
Well it's the same unless you changed the default sport config on idrive...
if you have sport set as "chassis and drivetrain" then only diff between sport and sport+ is DTC...

Now if you have sport set as "chassis only" then yes sport+ will have sharper throttle

page 113 http://cache.bmwusa.com/PDF_31010a97...b-a5bdb51838cc
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      06-29-2014, 05:51 PM   #33
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Well it's the same unless you changed the default sport config on idrive...
if you have sport set as "chassis and drivetrain" then only diff between sport and sport+ is DTC...

Now if you have sport set as "chassis only" then yes sport+ will have sharper throttle

page 113 http://cache.bmwusa.com/PDF_31010a97...b-a5bdb51838cc
I'm not trying to be a pain in anyone's side but I went to page 113 (and adjacent pages) and see nothing specifically describing steering response, throttle response, and suspension response. The descriptions of both sport and sport+ are different as well as vague. Which to me leaves it open to interpretation. Does anyone have any concrete evidenance that they are different?
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      06-29-2014, 06:16 PM   #34
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Ignorance of North American BMW buyers is truly overwhelming and embarrassing in this thread. Yes, it pisses me off because it influenced BMW decision to make my car less customizable and thus inferior. Here is the screenshot where you set up Sport Mode to your liking:




You can make the suspension and steering harder (Chassis Only).

OR

You can make the engine louder, throttle more responsive and automatic gearshift faster (Drivetrain Only).

OR

you can make both changes at the same time (Drivetrain & Chassis) which effectively means Sport mode will be identical to Sport+ except the latter has DTC on.
God you are needlessly rude and arrogant. It is simply counter intuitive to have DTC on by default in Sport+. To have to go to Sport mode to turn everything off is just a poor use of language in the menus. Any reasonable manufacturer would have used "custom" mode or something like that.
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      06-29-2014, 06:47 PM   #35
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Drove home from work last night with the windows down and moon roof open; 76 degrees and enjoyable. Put the car in manual Sport mode and for the first time I actually was able to hear the exhaust do the cool popping on accelerator lift. Even more cool was I could hear the blow-off valve whistle on shifts above 6K rpm shifts (aFe intake). Was really missing all these cool sounds with the windows up during the hot daytime while driving. Didn't have this much sound deadening in my WRX, I could here all this windows up or down
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      06-29-2014, 06:50 PM   #36
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can we use the shortcut buttons to set chassis only, drivetrain only..etc?
that would be nice
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      06-29-2014, 07:11 PM   #37
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I'm not trying to be a pain in anyone's side but I went to page 113 (and adjacent pages) and see nothing specifically describing steering response, throttle response, and suspension response. The descriptions of both sport and sport+ are different as well as vague. Which to me leaves it open to interpretation. Does anyone have any concrete evidenance that they are different?
it's not super clear but it says

SPORT+
Sporty driving with optimized chassis and
adapted engine control with limited driving sta‐
bilization

so i think chassis means steering and adapted engine means throttle and transmission

SPORT
Consistently sporty tuning of the suspension
and engine control for greater driving agility
with maximum driving stabilization.
The program can be configured to individual
specifications. The configuration is stored for
the remote control currently in use.

then similar for sport but you can just configure it for one, the other, or both
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      06-29-2014, 07:20 PM   #38
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it's not super clear but it says

SPORT+
Sporty driving with optimized chassis and
adapted engine control with limited driving sta‐
bilization

so i think chassis means steering and adapted engine means throttle and transmission

SPORT
Consistently sporty tuning of the suspension
and engine control for greater driving agility
with maximum driving stabilization.
The program can be configured to individual
specifications. The configuration is stored for
the remote control currently in use.

then similar for sport but you can just configure it for one, the other, or both
Haha yes that's what I saw. However. There still is no explanation if one mode is sportier than the other! (With respect to throttle, steering, suspension) The only thing that means anything in those summaries is talking about stabilization. So. This idea that sport and sport+ behave the same is based on nothing so far. These explainations in the manual give no insight. Does anyone understand what I'm saying?
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      06-29-2014, 07:41 PM   #39
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can we use the shortcut buttons to set chassis only, drivetrain only..etc?
that would be nice
only one way to find out....
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      06-29-2014, 07:43 PM   #40
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Haha yes that's what I saw. However. There still is no explanation if one mode is sportier than the other! (With respect to throttle, steering, suspension) The only thing that means anything in those summaries is talking about stabilization. So. This idea that sport and sport+ behave the same is based on nothing so far. These explainations in the manual give no insight. Does anyone understand what I'm saying?
ya it totally understand your point...it's not very clear

it's just every time I ask I was told there are just 2 modes.... comfort and sport... and that sport+ is the same as sport (chassis and drivetrain) but with DTC on....
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ya it totally understand your point...it's not very clear

it's just every time I ask I was told there are just 2 modes.... comfort and sport... and that sport+ is the same as sport (chassis and drivetrain) but with DTC on....
Ask who? And if it's your SA, we all know they know nothing technical. Driving a manual requires great attention to the throttle. So perhaps it is in my head but I Really think it feels different.

Also just because we can configure sport mode (chassis and drivetrain) that does not say to what affect the feel of the car changes to. Yes it's more sporty than comfort (that's a given). But is it as sporty as sport+? Or slightly less.

I ask everyone. Go out and do a test. Ask a friend to drive. If your curious..
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If it's anything like the e92 M3 that I had adaptive suspension means that if you set it in comfort it will be more comfortable but will adapt to a firmer setting if it senses that's how you're driving. When in sport mode the comfort threshold is lifted higher or less comfortable to start and progressively will get firmer or more direct as it senses your driving style.

On the M235, Sport mode can be set in idrive to either be drivetrain or chassis or both as previously mentioned. Drivetrain I was told refers to throttle and I believe transmission (I don't know why you would need to then lean the shifter to the left for even more aggressive shifting?). Chassis refers to suspension and steering.

When in Sport+ I believe you don't have any real comfort or at best very minimal and it's more or less firm suspension not really adaptive any longer. Steering if any different from sport mode would be heaviest and maximum sensitivity for throttle and traction control is off you still have DSC (skid control) but now you can do a burn out (same as pushing DTC/DSC button once quickly).

If you want all the nannies off you have to press the DTC/DSC button for four seconds until you see the icon on your dash with the squiggly lines behind the car and that will put you in sport mode with DTC and DSC turned off or the ability to spin the car. You'll have reasonably good throttle but not as hypersensitive as in sport + and steering should be medium and adaptive suspension is on monitoring your driving style and will adjust the firmness accordingly.

This is what I experienced when testing the car for over an hour and a half.
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I'm not a car expert, so please forgive my ignorance upfront. A BMW Product Specialist (which doesn't necessarily mean squat) told me the car has two modes (eco/comfort and sport/sport+... let's leave aside the D or DS variants for now). In eco/comfort mode, the shocks supposedly absorb the bumps a bit better as compared to sport/sport+ where the shocks oscillate a bit more, hence a slightly bouncier/harsher ride. At this point, I think I prefer the better absorption of the bumps and have the chassis not in sport mode, just the drivetrain. There is no discernible difference between sport and sport+ other than de/activation of the DTC or whatever that does LOL. I haven't noticed any difference in engine sound, throttle response or automatic gearshift speed. I think it's ridiculous that we all have to rely on our collective experience w the car, and BMW's manual doesn't say squat about what does what. Thx for all of your insights.

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well as Wheelwright said.... there is actually a difference between sport and sport+ apart from DTC

whether sport can be configured to
-chassis
-drivetrain
-chassis & drivetrain

sport+ is always set to (chassis & drivetrain & DTC on)

I empirically verified this....

I configured sport to (chassis only) and this is what happened:

- Started in Comfort
- Hit drive mode button and switched to Sport....(steering got heavier - no engine downshift or throttle difference)
- Hit drive mode button again and switched to Sport+ (steering stayed heavier but engine downshifted)

I was going to try to configure sport to (drivetrain) only and do the same but passengers on the car didn't want me to rock the car left to right to see if there was any steering change so maybe i'll try this when i'm alone...

the reason why a lot of people think the only difference between sport and sport+ is DTC is cause sport comes configured by default to (chassis & drivetrain) so effectively in this case the only difference between the modes is DTC on
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