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      12-19-2013, 05:49 PM   #221
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I thought one of the primary reasons people go for the 1er and 2er is the size of the vehicle.
The CLA is 182.3" long that's the same length as the new 3-series and 4-series --- and almost a foot longer than the 1er.
Ok? So I'm not allowed to think the CLA looks good in person because I own a 1-series?
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WTF, one of them complain about the responsivness when going in REVERSE....are you fukin serious??!!!
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WTF, one of them complain about the responsivness when going in REVERSE....are you fukin serious??!!!
What, you don't try that out when you go on a test drive?
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      12-26-2013, 11:19 AM   #224
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WTF, one of them complain about the responsivness when going in REVERSE....are you fukin serious??!!!
What, you don't try that out when you go on a test drive?
lol, next time i'll test the 0-60 time in reverse
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      12-26-2013, 12:30 PM   #225
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WTF, one of them complain about the responsivness when going in REVERSE....are you fukin serious??!!!
Wow, I read the article several times and all 4 writers mention either lag, rubber feel or some issue with the transmission ( yes all 4 writers). Selective reading I guess saying one writer mentions reverse, are we reading the same article.
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WTF, one of them complain about the responsivness when going in REVERSE....are you fukin serious??!!!
Wow, I read the article several times and all 4 writers mention either lag, rubber feel or some issue with the transmission ( yes all 4 writers). Selective reading I guess saying one writer mentions reverse, are we reading the same article.
From Mac Morrison (autoweek)...someone provided a link from above

"Look past these two conspicuous characteristics and there's certainly fun on tap. The world's most powerful series production four-cylinder boots the CLA45 AMG at an impressive clip, though there's a slight delay on throttle tip-in. This is perhaps most noticeable when reversing out of a parking space: several times I pushed the throttle to back up and found it so unresponsive that I looked down at the shift lever to make sure I had remembered to engage reverse gear -- which I had, in fact, done. There's just a strange bit of calibration there."

This guy must backup ninja style at all times
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      12-26-2013, 03:53 PM   #227
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From Mac Morrison (autoweek)...someone provided a link from above

"Look past these two conspicuous characteristics and there's certainly fun on tap. The world's most powerful series production four-cylinder boots the CLA45 AMG at an impressive clip, though there's a slight delay on throttle tip-in. This is perhaps most noticeable when reversing out of a parking space: several times I pushed the throttle to back up and found it so unresponsive that I looked down at the shift lever to make sure I had remembered to engage reverse gear -- which I had, in fact, done. There's just a strange bit of calibration there."

This guy must backup ninja style at all times
OK, that's in the paragraph right after he calls shifting into second awful and the car lurches both going into and out of second gear. You must be a glass half full guy and I'm a glass half empty guy.
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99% of the members on this forum or the general public, will never be able to extract the full potential of either car. With that said, the average driver will probably be able to drive fast and safer in the CLA45. The rear wheel drive M235i will require a skilled driver to exploit the full performance potential.

Personally, I like the M235i - cleaner lines, in some ways it reminds me of E46 series.
I saw a CLA250 on the road, not my cup of tea. The rear end looks like every Mercedes - saggy/droopy
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I have mixed feelings on the dual-clutch transmission. There's that rubber band-like behavior you get with these. One gets used to it but the phenomenon is still rather new.
That "rubber band-like behavior" is not a symptom of the dual-clutch transmission exclusively, it's turbo-lag in combination with a shift-map that prioritizes fuel economy.

I remember when I used to get a 1.8T, automatic trans, Passat loaner while my GTI was in for service (insert VW reliability joke here). The rubber-band behavior was in full effect because the Passat was a perfect storm of poor conditions for the poor little 1.8T they fitted. You've got a heavy, four-door car with an automatic transmission that prioritized fuel-economy over performance.

Auto manufacturers tune the default shift-maps to shift early. This keeps the RPMs low -- which saves fuel -- where the turbo response is horrible. It places the RPMs right in the range where the turbo spools up, so you apply adequate throttle to accelerate the car under low-boost conditions, then suddenly boost builds and torque ramps up at rate resembling f(x)=x^2. The resulting feel of a small-displacement, turbocharged, 4-cylinder boosted to high-output is horrible, and it's one of the primary reasons I preferred my 135i over cars like the Evo and STi; more base-displacement results in better power delivery.

The N20 in our X3 is a great little motor, but when driven in Eco Pro mode, it's easy to bring out the worst in the engine. Even with the boost ramp down low near 1,500 RPM, you can catch the engine in a bad spot when shifts are held below 2,300 RPM (a consequence of Eco Pro). When you start to ask more of an engine with similar displacement, that the boost ramp extends upwards in to normal operating territory. That's a recipe for the rubber-band effect, and that's exactly what you have in the CLA45.
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I still don't understand why someone would cross shop a 4 door the size of a 3 series with all wheel drive against a 2 door with rear wheel drive, this is apples to oranges. Maybe 335 x drive which would be the same size, all wheel drive and same performance. I just reread the Sept Motor Trend where the 335 x drive won a 5 car shoot out and did 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. I personally would have no desire to own a 4 door, if I was forced to buy another brand I would shop 2 door only and rear wheel drive only.
The Mercedes is actually 2 inches longer. The 335 X beat the Audi S4, caddy ATS4 3.6, Lexus IS 350 AWD and Volvo S60 T6 AWD. The base price of the Mercedes is over $2,000 more than the 335 X drive. The 335 with M Sport put out 320hp and 332 tq. So optioned out they price out about the same since Motor Trend also tested the Mercedes in Nov and with options was almost $59K. The BMW has a back seat fit for humans and you can get a 6 speed. Not saying the Mercedes is bad I just don't see where there are any similarities to be compared with the M235. I'm in the market for an M235 but would never consider the 5 test cars in the Motor Trend article or the Mercedes.
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      12-30-2013, 01:35 PM   #231
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I still don't understand why someone would cross shop a 4 door the size of a 3 series with all wheel drive against a 2 door with rear wheel drive, this is apples to oranges. Maybe 335 x drive which would be the same size, all wheel drive and same performance. I just read one of the car magazines where the 335 x drive won a 5 car shoot out and did 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. I personally would have no desire to own a 4 door, if I was forced to buy another brand I would shop 2 door only and rear wheel drive only.
The comparo used in europe was the cla45 vs M135i (both hatch and entry level amg/m)...I think this is why its now being compare with the cla amg/m235i
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I find the exterior design of the CLA to be completely hideous. I made a special trip to the MB dealer when they got one in and laughed upon seeing it in person. I don't like to judge a new car design until I see it in person. This thing is just plane ugly! Huge overhangs with strange curves and unusual proportions is not my idea of good looking.
As for the mechanicals its a transverse front engine layout similar to every economy car on the market. It may have a great motor if you're into a harsh loud buzzing noise. I'll take an I6 turbo instead any day any time. With 50% more displacement and a chassis designed to cope with more power the M235i has a lot more potential when it comes to tuning.
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It seems like you can take it into the desert sand...

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As a premium product, as a luxury object, just like the M235i intends to be first and foremost, the CLA 45 AMG is far more accomplished and a better product overall, hands down:

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As a premium product, as a luxury object, just like the M235i intends to be first and foremost, the CLA 45 AMG is far more accomplished and a better product overall, hands down:
Based on your experience with both cars?
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It seems like you can take it into the desert sand...

They translate into alot of CP (camelpower) to the wheels
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Based on your experience with both cars?
I'm glad you have asked this question... you don't buy a Rolex based on experience, do you?!

It's a luxury item, one that you wear to feel good about yourself, something that helps projecting yourself's image to the others.

If you just needed something to give you the time you would buy a cheap Casio instead.

The CLA AMG looks more like a Rolex to me from every perspective, looks, technology, materials quality and design, than the Casio looking M235i... comparatively speaking of course. And, they are equally fast... we know that from the quoted figures and we know they can deliver it because like Rolex, Mercedes-Benz and BMW already have a premium brand image.

So, what do you want from a premium product?!

Experience has nothing to do with it!

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They translate into alot of CP (camelpower) to the wheels
And all from just a 2.0 - liter engine...
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I'm glad you have asked this question... you don't buy a Rolex based on experience, do you?!

It's a luxury item, one that you wear to feel good about yourself, something that helps projecting yourself's image to the others.

If you just needed something to give you the time you would buy a cheap Casio instead.

The CLA AMG looks more like a Rolex to me from every perspective, looks, technology, materials quality and design, than the Casio looking M235i... comparatively speaking of course. And, they are equally fast... we know that from the quoted figures and we now they can deliver it because like Rolex, Mercedes-Benz and BMW already have a premium brand image.

So, what do you want from a premium product?!

Experience has nothing to do with it!
Good thing looks are subjective. I think the CLA is extremely ugly and the interior is very cheaply made. I would take an A3 in a second over the CLA. The only people who will think the CLA is something luxury are uninformed people.
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From C&D:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review

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Of Price and Prejudice

Performance aside, the CLA45 has a hard time hiding its comparatively humble origins. The interior follows M-B’s current design ethos, but a quick look at the plastics around the lower center stack and bottom of the door panels reveals where a lot of the cost cutting took place. We noted the car’s Jupiter Red finish peeking through a gap between the door panel and trim on the B-pillar, and the 5.8-inch display screen looks like an aftermarket unit due to the way it’s positioned atop the dash. Although it’s easy to get comfortable in the power front seats, room in the back is tight.
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Good thing looks are subjective. I think the CLA is extremely ugly and the interior is very cheaply made. I would take an A3 in a second over the CLA. The only people who will think the CLA is something luxury are uninformed people.
You didn't get the point... a Rolex doesn't need to look pretty, it just needs to look EXPENSIVE!!!

The CLA AMG does just that ( hence the name AMG)... and from those 3 models, M235i, S3 and CLA AMG, the Mercedes does it MUCH better, no doubt!


PS: If you compare the M235i to the 4-series you quickly realize where the cost savings took place. There's no miracles, you get what you pay for. That's the premium world.

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CLA shooting-break... an AMG version is almost certain. Does it mean the 2-series will have a shooting-break model also? And, a M235i version in the shooting-break guise?


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