[Professor///M]

SO MANY DEAD BATTERIES...


Is what the humans will say in 75 years.

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Yeah because science has not advanced at all in 40+ years...

Or there was not an agenda 40 years ago

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by MRV99

Or there was not an agenda 40 years ago

Sigh. Ok. Sure man.

[clbmw]

Perfectly timed to go with the UK government announcement that hydrocarbon fuelled cars will stop being sold in 2040... sad

So pretty much anything we're driving today may become a classic

[Rajmun340]

There is a huge public deception going on where so called renewable low carbon profile energy laws are being imposed on companies when they only shift the problem of pollution to a different realm. So yes fossil fuels are not zero carbon footprint and contribute to CO2 responsible for global warming (Let's assume so to build an argument). Electrical vehicles are far from being non polluting in fact it can be argued that their production and later disposal of as of today's technology is far more polluting than fossil fuel powered cars. So yes they don't emit CO2 but at what cost for the environment ? The industry and lobbies conveniently ignore the issues of battery chemicals and mining which destroys, pollute the environment and are toxic , the complete lack of an old large battery collection network and recycling industry. But no, people believe the propaganda prepared by companies that of course sell these toxic polluters : Tesla, honda prius, etc.

Today fossil fuel powered vehicle are very clean. CO2 is not a toxic element. But look at a car battery and it is made from toxic acidic chemicals whose production requires industrial scale pollution. Every Tesla vehicle should be banned for the pollution that went in its production and the future pollution it will bring when no longer servicable.

[dmboone25]

Is that gold thing the logo? Wtf is that?

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by evolution80

the beginning of the end...

like in that VW add where they suggest how cool it is to have speed limit info with auto brake function, next thing you know your car enforces the speed limit, doesnt let you overtake etc.


my incoming f80 will probably be the last car i spend my money on - all the joy and freedom that comes with driving will be taken away - all the while the media and corporations tell you how cool that is...

sad really


that said - electric drivetrain could be a good thing - i just mean all the autonomous driving stuff that will come with it...

Apple and Google want to take driving away from you so they can pipe content into your car.

[ron_jeremy]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

SO MANY DEAD BATTERIES...


Is what the humans will say in 75 years.

And for another 1000 years, you guys will complain on the nuclear waste that´s being digged down under your feet.

The batteries are being recycled, not all at this stage, but it will be better within each year.

As for the BMW EV news, not much to grasp, very laid-back and boring, nothing aggressive from BMW, they once had the lead, now they are trading water, not a good idea imo. Let´s see what happens in a year or two?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

And for another 1000 years, you guys will complain on the nuclear waste that´s being digged down under your feet.

The batteries are being recycled, not all at this stage, but it will be better within each year.

As for the BMW EV news, not much to grasp, very laid-back and boring, nothing aggressive from BMW, they once had the lead, now they are trading water, not a good idea imo. Let´s see what happens in a year or two?

BMW is going to simply be a follower in just a few years.

The BMWi Brand has been diluted & stifled.

[Rajmun340]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

BMW is going to simply be a follower in just a few years.

The BMWi Brand has been diluted & stifled.

not just the BMWi brand, their M brand has been diluted merchandised and pimped too.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

Not just the BMWi brand, their M brand has been diluted merchandised and pimped too.

Agreed.

They are doing the same as Audi and Mercedes, go figure.

///M & ///M Light.

And ///M Sprinkles on everything.

[Rajmun340]

Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

And for another 1000 years, you guys will complain on the nuclear waste that´s being digged down under your feet.

The batteries are being recycled, not all at this stage, but it will be better within each year.

nuclear waste is in infinitesimal proportion relative to the power that can be extracted from one kilogram of nuclear core. There is no comparison with a chem can battery that stores completely insignificant power by comparison. As for escaping forward the issue of batteries recycling, it's not going to get better within each year because : there is no money in it, Recycling will have to be enforced under government regulations and no corporation will want to do it because it will only cut down their profits. Right now those so called green companies like Tesla are escaping that cost and leave it for someone else to take car of it later. Nobody will. It is a grand deception and certainly not a clean technology, Battery powered vehicles is a toxic technology, expensive and polluting.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

SO MANY DEAD BATTERIES...ON EARTH. SO GLAD WE MOVED TO MARS WHERE WE JUST LAUNCH OUR GARBAGE INTO DEEP SPACE


Is what the humans will say in 75 years.

FTFY.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

FTFY.

You can fit that but you cannot fix his stupid post to begin with!

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Agreed.

They are doing the same as Audi and Mercedes, go figure.

///M & ///M Light.

And ///M Sprinkles on everything.

Meh. People have been saying the same thing for the past 15 years

[3rdcoast228i]

Originally Posted by IB M

Simply baby steps to a future where wind and solar play a much larger role and power EVs. No one knows how fast we will get there but it does look like the journey has started and has momentum to keep progressing.

Wind and solar will never replace fossil fuels. The load on the Texas grid right at this moment is 45k megawatts (and that's a low load because it's still morning and its not hot out yet), only 5k megawatts of that is from wind generation. Each wind turbine only puts out about 3 mw. The are about 10,700 wind turbines in Texas, with a rated total theoretical capacity of about 20k mw. In reality I've never seen wind generation above 11k mw.

Long story short is you already have 10700 wind turbines that only cover a fraction of the load, how many do you think it would take to cover the full grid load? It's just not feasible. Solar is not much better. And neither are pretty to look at. One doesn't work when the wind doesn't blow, also has a nasty habit of killing birds, and the other doesn't work after the sun goes down.

[David70]

The "EV's still require plants that produce CO2" - yes but running an EV on a natural gas powered plant drops the CO2 produced so if the goal is to reduce CO2 it is a good option. The natural gas powered plant also reduces the output of everything else that comes out of the ICE exhaust and the plant is probably located out of town.

"We will never replace fossil fuels" - correct but not seeing what the point of this is. We could drastically reduce how much we use. Like the guy that is massively obese saying becoming really skinny is an unrealistic goal. OK, so maybe a realistic goal is to just be overweight.

Saw this yesterday - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...arm-in-the-u-s

There’s a new model emerging for growth-starved utilities looking to profit from America’s solar and wind power boom.

American Electric Power Co. is using it for a $4.5 billion deal that’ll land the U.S. utility owner a massive wind farm in Oklahoma and a high-voltage transmission line to deliver the power. NextEra Energy Inc.’s Florida unit is using it to build solar farms. And in April, the chief executive officer of Xcel Energy Inc. said he’d use it to help add 3.4 gigawatts of new wind energy over the next five years.

With the cost of building solar and wind farms sliding and electricity demand weakening, owning renewables is a more attractive proposition than ever for utilities.

“The price of wind has come down enough that it’s going to be competitive with anything else you’re probably going to propose to build out there,” Kit Konolige, a New York-based utility analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence, said by phone Wednesday.

The Wind Catcher farm in Oklahoma is set to become the largest wind farm in the nation and the second-biggest in the world, according Invenergy.

AEP estimated that the low cost of the wind power will save customers $7 billion over 25 years. Construction on the farm began in 2016, and the plant is scheduled to go into service in mid-2020, Invenergy said by email.

Still a drop in the bucket but this is one project. Interesting that they point out the electricity demand is weakening when people like to say we don't have the capacity for everyone to use an electric car (which is normally charged at night when demand goes down).

[David70]

Another article -

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/25/t...ectric-car-ev/

Toyota reportedly plans long-range, fast-charging solid-state EV by 2022

Toyota is working on an electric car powered by a new type of battery that significantly increases driving range and reduces charging time, aiming to begin sales in 2022, the Chunichi Shimbun daily reported on Tuesday.

Toyota's new electric car, to be built on an all-new platform, will use all-solid-state batteries, allowing it to be recharged in just a few minutes, the newspaper said, without citing sources.

By contrast, current electric vehicles (EVs), which use lithium-ion batteries, need 20-30 minutes to recharge even with fast chargers and typically have a range of just 300-400 kilometers (185-250 miles).

Toyota has decided to sell the new model in Japan as early as 2022, the paper said.

Whether Toyota will be able to leapfrog its rivals remains to be seen, however, as mass production requires a far more stringent level of quality control and reliability.

"There's a pretty long distance between the lab bench and manufacturing," said CLSA auto analyst Christopher Richter. "2022 is ages away, and a lot can change in the meantime." How quickly the new EVs will catch on would also depend largely on battery costs.

Other automakers such as BMW are also working on developing all-solid-state batteries, eyeing mass production in the next 10 years.

Solid-state batteries use solid electrolytes rather than liquid ones, making them safer than lithium-ion batteries currently on the market.

[Toxophilite]

Hmm.. I still want an m240i right meow. Maybe once I change cars, my next one can be electric. Either way, I need a new car this year soooooo welp.

[David70]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

SO MANY DEAD BATTERIES...


Is what the humans will say in 75 years.

Based on the amount of garbage that leaves my house each week (after recycling and not including everywhere else I go where waste is produced), I don't see the the batteries in my car being disposed of every 8-10 years significantly changing the overall volume. Assuming you also propose we recycle every part of the battery that we can this should reduce the total also.

I think in 75 years humans will change the "So many dead batteries..." with "so much garbage overall". Every generation has been surprised at some of the dumb choices the previous generations made when it comes to the environment. Until relatively recently in our history the rivers were the perfect place to dispose of anything we didn't want.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

nuclear waste is in infinitesimal proportion relative to the power that can be extracted from one kilogram of nuclear core. There is no comparison with a chem can battery that stores completely insignificant power by comparison. As for escaping forward the issue of batteries recycling, it's not going to get better within each year because : there is no money in it, Recycling will have to be enforced under government regulations and no corporation will want to do it because it will only cut down their profits. Right now those so called green companies like Tesla are escaping that cost and leave it for someone else to take car of it later. Nobody will. It is a grand deception and certainly not a clean technology, Battery powered vehicles is a toxic technology, expensive and polluting.

It is just incredible how clueless most people are about this.

Batteries are so spectacularly inefficient at holding charge and last so little that one has to be clueless to compare it to nuclear waste.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

There is a huge public deception going on where so called renewable low carbon profile energy laws are being imposed on companies when they only shift the problem of pollution to a different realm. So yes fossil fuels are not zero carbon footprint and contribute to CO2 responsible for global warming (Let's assume so to build an argument). Electrical vehicles are far from being non polluting in fact it can be argued that their production and later disposal of as of today's technology is far more polluting than fossil fuel powered cars. So yes they don't emit CO2 but at what cost for the environment ? The industry and lobbies conveniently ignore the issues of battery chemicals and mining which destroys, pollute the environment and are toxic , the complete lack of an old large battery collection network and recycling industry. But no, people believe the propaganda prepared by companies that of course sell these toxic polluters : Tesla, honda prius, etc.

Today fossil fuel powered vehicle are very clean. CO2 is not a toxic element. But look at a car battery and it is made from toxic acidic chemicals whose production requires industrial scale pollution. Every Tesla vehicle should be banned for the pollution that went in its production and the future pollution it will bring when no longer servicable.

Keep in mind it's easier to regulate the emissions a few point source polluters such a power plants vs hundreds of thousands of BMW owners driving around with catless downpipes.

ha!