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04-06-2020, 08:09 PM | #69 |
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i had a 228ix and then switched to an m235i rwd. rwd just felt better. im sure the extra power of the 6 cylinder didnt hurt, but still preferred the rwd over the xdrive. the 228ix had noticeable oversteer when pushing the car in the corners.
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04-07-2020, 02:08 PM | #70 | |
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The xdrive isn't terrible and it doesn't make the 2 series handle terribly, but it does take away from the handling limits and feel. It also adds weight and in one of the worst places and types (inertial), it saps power, and adds complexity and cost. There are very few situations where xdrive is beneficial. People buy a lot of xdrives in these cars because that is what dealers mostly stock and it makes them more money on the front end and on repairs. Buyers also get sold on the "performance and safety" of AWD. A lot of drivers think they're going to die when driving in the wet and snow if they don't have AWD. LOL. I piloted a 1994 Z28 on all seasons through the very hilly streets of Lawrence, KS during my college days for 3 years. I didn't get stuck. Same goes for all the RWD cop cars. They weren't running snow tires. Not until the last couple of years did most police departments start buying AWD/4WD cruisers. Prior, they were Chargers, Crown Vics, and Caprice Classics. All RWD V8 cars.
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04-07-2020, 02:54 PM | #72 |
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People use their cars for different reasons with different circumstances. I don't worry about getting "walked" going to the grocery store. My trap speed isn't important when I head to work. What is important is, when we get a lot of standing water in the roads (often), I am in a better position to deal with it. When we hit freezing temps and there is spotty sheets of ice on the road, having an additional two drive wheels increases my changes of getting traction. If you live somewhere that doesn't have a substantial amount of snow, AWD and all-seasons are the way to go. It doesn't make sense to have snow tires for a handful of days out of the year.
What works in Kansas or Ohio may be very different than California and Oregon. Some may care about the extra 2mph traps and the feel of going hard into corners on the street. But some (like me) just want a fun daily driver and have another car for auto-x/track. |
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Some have gone off the deep end while claiming others are the ones to have gone off the deep end. Bottom line get what car you think will suit your needs the most. You don't have to justify your purchasing decision to anyone but yourself. |
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I've owned RWD, FWD, AWD, and 4WD over the past decade, and when it's come to standing water I've relied upon tread depth more than drive type to ensure my safety and that of my passengers. For that reason, I replace my tires when they reach 6/32nds, track tires excepted.
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The 2wd vs Awd discussion is yawn worthy...
It (talking about it) won't change anyone's mind, and it's obvious that some are impervious to learning anything other than what they (think) they know. Funniest and most interesting thing in the world is the Dunning Kruger Effect... And one study showed how those who had filed for bankruptcy protection from creditor', when questioned about their financial knowledge, would swear the "knew" what they were doing (didn't do wrong)... O.o |
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04-07-2020, 05:59 PM | #77 | |
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I wouldn't be caught dead driving this car with all seasons in warm temps (60+), especially super narrow 225 square runflat setups that nearly every xdrive 2 series runs. The difference in handling, braking, and traction is astounding when you on put proper summer tires with some meaningful width (especially in the front).
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Speaking of the Dunning Kruger effect, in my observation the degree of cognitive bias is often determined by how specific people get when they start throwing out anecdotes. You find it all peppered through this thread as well. "Well back in my day I used to drive a bloody IROC Z28 on uncle Joe's rubbers, in ten feet of snow in Lawrence, KS!! All RWD I tell ya! Them BMW folks selling you xDrives so they have more parts to fix!!" Of course I am poking fun at one of the above posters hah The level of specificity can almost get poetic. Anyway, *yawn* (you are right!) |
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You ever watched It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Yours is some Charlie logic right there! It is so beautiful. And batshit crazy! "Guyzzz, guyzzz!! Ground clearance! Since trucks have them, and our cars don't have them, 2-ers will suck ass AWD or not!!! See! RwD jUsT mIgHT aS w3ll be as G00d aS AwD!!" I love this. Seems like this thread was the troll whistle for all of the ones in the previous threads to come pouring out defending the RWD honor with the same logic leaps haha |
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I love how [they] did it though! First the ground clearance angle. Then the trucks. And then, all of a sudden, "it isn't about RWD>AWD guyzz! The both lose because they aren't trucks!!1!" That's some Charlie logic man, and I love it! Edit: words! |
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I went from an e92 M3 to an 240xi, that's what I wanted and had no regrets. It wasn't as tail happy as my previous M3, but still a fun little car to toss around. It still gave a kick in the butt with its rear bias. The hookup was impressive, a noticeably a faster car. Try to test drive both.
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