[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by SamS

Looks great, so much better than any E8x series.

M2 is going to be soooo killer.

Why would anyone buy a 4er after seeing the M235i? I can guarantee you that the 2er would be more fun to drive.

Why would anyone buy a 6er after seeing the stunning looks of the 4er? Two different things.


Not everyone is looking for "more fun to drive". Not everyone is looking for a small, fun, enthusiast hot coupe. The 4er still has a market, and I believe it will only grow stronger.


Also, I feel overall the 4er is still the more mature of the two, looks more upscale and has a more composed demeanor (read: boring). Some will gravitate towards that.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by ///M235i

Why would anyone buy a 6er after seeing the stunning looks of the 4er? Two different things.

I'd say the price and design delta between a 4er and 6er is much greater than the 2er and 4er.

Originally Posted by ///M235i

Not everyone is looking for "more fun to drive". Not everyone is looking for a small, fun, enthusiast hot coupe. The 4er still has a market, and I believe it will only grow stronger.


Also, I feel overall the 4er is still the more mature of the two, looks more upscale and has a more composed demeanor (read: boring). Some will gravitate towards that.

Good points. I guess there's a lot of 65 year old dudes out there for which the F33 is the perfect weekend car.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Powaup

Do you feel as if you will miss your M3? im kind of debating between M235i 6Mt or an M3 with same options as yours

The M3 is a very special car. It's not for my everyday driving. I prefer a more balanced car. Something that does everything well (which the M3 does, but with a heavy bias towards performance). I'm not afraid to admit that it's too much car and performance for my needs.


I don't know about you, but me and my brothers practically grew up idolizing BMW's and especially ///M cars. It was inevitable that I would own one. If anything, just to get it out of my system and see what all the fuss is about. It's been a mixed bag for me. Great car, amazing performance but to me it feels much less special than what everyone says about it. What do they say, never meet your heroes? No doubt the e92 M3 is a marvel of auto engineering (perhaps the pinnacle of the M division), but I'm not gushing over it. Then again, my opinion should not count for much, since I've never taken it to the track and really pushed it to the limits (which is in my plans to do). I am sure that is where you get your money's worth.


But for me and my everyday driving, the M3 has proven to be too much. Wasteful in a lot of ways. So I would be very happy to down size to the M235i. And yes, I will miss my M3 but I absolutely can not keep both.


As far as how I have it optioned, my car is a 6MT with premium and competition package. I have driven MT cars my whole life. I hate autos. I sold my f30 335i mainly because I wanted to get back into a 6MT car. Having said all that, if I were to things again I would get the M3 in dual clutch transmission. Really consider it. A 4.0L V8 in 6MT is not as great as you think it would be. Definitely not as fun as smaller engines and lighter cars. It's too much car for a manual transmission and no doubt the DCT would probably do a better job in delivering the power more efficiently. It never even crossed my mind to get the M3 in DCT, but now I think otherwise. You live and learn.


Every BMW enthusiast should own an M3/M4 at some point in their life. And I would do it again in a heartbeat. It's a milestone.

[Ganxxta]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The next part of the 2er family commences next year with the launch of the 2er Cabrio along with a new entry petrol model and mid range diesel (European market only) and the 2er Cabrio in time from the summer six months from now.
Also arriving gives an indication of the future generations showing a series split between FWD and RWD.

Hi Scott, hi everyone from germany

Does that mean that the B48 is going to arrive with the Cabrio (in Europe)?

I'm still saving my money so waiting for mid of next year wouldn't make a difference for me...

Also do you know why there is no 228i in europe but in the US and according to the german Optionslist there is also no Active Cruise Control Why BMW?

[YellowMellow]

Finally, BMW came through with the 2 Series in overall design/packaging.
I like the M235 but for nearly $60K, there are a ton of cars I would pick over it: E91 M3, 4-Series, low mileage Porsche.
A 228i w/M-sport and lightly optioned might be the way to go if you have to have the design but want to keep cost down. x-Drive would be cool.

[Ganxxta]

Oh btw. BMW is talking about Air Curtains to improve Aero performance again... I though somebody said the 2er wouldn't get Air Curtains and Air breathers at all?

Or is it only limited to the M Sport package and is not available on the other "lines"?

[Beck]

It has air curtains in front bumper but no air curtains on side fenders.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by mark12345

Finally, BMW came through with the 2 Series in overall design/packaging.
I like the M235 but for nearly $60K, there are a ton of cars I would pick over it: E91 M3, 4-Series, low mileage Porsche.
A 228i w/M-sport and lightly optioned might be the way to go if you have to have the design but want to keep cost down. x-Drive would be cool.

What is $60k?

[M12Power]

From what I’ve seen of the M235i so far, I really like it and would seriously consider getting it, but I gather the M Performance LSD retrofit is a dealer-installed option rather than a factory-installed option, which I’m afraid is going to be a deal breaker for me. I will not get this car without an LSD, and I pretty much only want to get the LSD if it’s a factory-installed option and not some ultra-expensive dealer-installed option. In fact, I would even consider getting the M Performance Brakes and Sports Suspension altogether if they offer them as a factory-installed package.

Oh well, looks like I will just have to settle for the 2014 Scion FR-S Monogram Series until the M2 comes out…if they make one. If they don’t plan to make the M2, then I guess I won’t be buying a BMW anytime soon…

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Ganxxta

Oh btw. BMW is talking about Air Curtains to improve Aero performance again... I though somebody said the 2er wouldn't get Air Curtains and Air breathers at all?

Or is it only limited to the M Sport package and is not available on the other "lines"?

The 2er has Air Curtains but not Air breathers.

[leesat]

Originally Posted by mark12345

Finally, BMW came through with the 2 Series in overall design/packaging.
I like the M235 but for nearly $60K, there are a ton of cars I would pick over it: E91 M3, 4-Series, low mileage Porsche.
A 228i w/M-sport and lightly optioned might be the way to go if you have to have the design but want to keep cost down. x-Drive would be cool.

it will be more likely $55k including tax. unless you trough in every single options.

[Ganxxta]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The 2er has Air Curtains but not Air breathers.

Thanks, I think its a good thing, those air breathers on the 4er are looking so cheap...

Any hints on the other questions in my post before?

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by solstice

Still that is exactly what Porsche did already a few years ago in the 997 GT3 4.0 RS and now with the much cheaper 991 GT3. 125hp per liter in a street production NA engine. The M division can usually keep pace with Porsche with their engines to a much lower price. It's not likely they will go this route but do I think they are able to , you bet. Someone on the F80 forum looked at the cylinder spacing and thought that the S55 can likely be bored to close to 4 liter if needed and it's over squared with potential for high rpms without reaching unheard of piston speeds. I actually think it can quite easily be converted into a 380 hp NA engine by the wizards of M. Most likely though it will just be a further tweaked N55 or a de-tuned S55. All BMW engines are now FI, NA is dead and buried in Munich, sadly enough.

I wouldn't bank on NA continuing indefinately over in Stuttgart either given the European emissions regulations likely to be in force over here in the future.

[Greenkirby21]

Put deposit down today on my M235i! Second in line (first is for dealer showroom)!

Can't wait

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Answering mkoesel's question from the now closed thread:

F22 will start production using the current engines. However, it doesn't seem to be the long term solution, since the new engines will be introduced soon, likely alongside F20/F21 facelift.

Technically the B48 is debuting with the new F56 Mini Cooper S although obviously that's in FWD guise and a lower state of tune than a *28i BMW will use.

Still, it may only affect Europe, since the engines that the US gets may not be replaced right away. Right now, I can see that F30 LCI will get B-series engines across the board in Europe, but the US version will stick with N20/26.

That seems somewhat unlikely to me unless the B48 is only to be used in *20i/*25i models at first. But then I'd still expect to see it in the 320i here.

Also, for N55, only its M0 version (300hp one) already has B58 as the replacement, while O0 (320hp) doesn't. So, if BMW decides to use the same approach for F22, their US versions may have to carry on with N20/26/55 for a bit longer.

Why of you think the B58 will only replace the lower output N55? I expect it to replace all N55, while adding approximately 10% more power to the standard engine and possibly as much as 360hp for the HO version. Now whether they give the M235i a boost in power is another question, it might just stick with the same or only slightly more to leave room for the M2.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by Greenkirby21

Put deposit down today on my M235i! Second in line (first is for dealer showroom)!

Can't wait

Nice. How did you, or how will you option it? Did/Will you get any of the M stuff? LSD, susp, brakes?

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by Beck

Doubt it. No standard non-limited edition BMW has come with M Performance Exhaust.

Are you only talking about the F generation? All the last-gen "is" cars like my 335is came with the Performance exhaust, usually with black tips. The 135is didn't even have different tips. It was just called Performance instead of M Performance, but it's the same thing.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by positiveions

I am not comparing to 135is.

Then what are you comparing it to? 135is is exactly what this replaces. It has a power bump and different exhaust compared to regular N55s (even though there isn't a 235i) but it adds different bushings, power steering calibration, sport steering and sports transmission standard, Pilot Super Sports Tires, etc. this car is certainly expensive but it's one hell of a bargain. Even the 435i is stuck with useless runflat tires, softer bushings, softer steering, etc.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Ganxxta

Hi Scott, hi everyone from germany

Does that mean that the B48 is going to arrive with the Cabrio (in Europe)?

I'm still saving my money so waiting for mid of next year wouldn't make a difference for me...

Also do you know why there is no 228i in europe but in the US and according to the german Optionslist there is also no Active Cruise Control Why BMW?

The new engines will be introduced with the 2er Active Tourer in regards to BMW. We will see the first introduction with MINI.
The entry engine for the 2er in 2014 will be a 218i as found in the current F20.
For Europe we will get a 225i. This will be the flagship engine for the Active Tourer.

The Active Tourer which is a combination of a new form of design dynamism , functional space , increased flexibility , premium desirability and driver communication could tempt existing owners from one-box shaped MPVs.

If the Active Tourer concept is successful such a model can be configured with the next generation 3er using the China built Li architecture but will retain REAR WHEEL DRIVE.

As you can see in the latest Spy shots. Valencia Orange and 18" wheels will enhance the visual appeal of the Active Tourer.

[Neph]

That looks so bad that its almost wiped out all the good feelings from the 2er debut.

[Stephen5242]

Those wallpapers are gorgeous, but I have never seen Melbourne Red look that dark and that hot in real life.

[Greenkirby21]

Originally Posted by scottp999

Nice. How did you, or how will you option it? Did/Will you get any of the M stuff? LSD, susp, brakes?

Nope! options aren't out yet. The deposit is refundable if I changed my mind.

I basically put my name down and pre ordered the car. Once pricing and options become available then I will go to the dealership and spec it out.

But now I am guaranteed a car and will get one of the first allocations. Normally I don't care too much about these type of things but I need to get the car ASAP to use the college discount from my masters before it expires.

As for options, it depends on the prices . LSD maybe if it's reasonable!