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      02-26-2015, 06:36 PM   #23
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No need for M2 CSL, at least for me. I looked at the M3 CSL and thought that it was cool more than anything else. I eagerly await on pix and pricing of the M2.
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I'd be happy with the 1st Gen M2 but will wait for 2nd or 3rd production year.

Edit: stardate ~some time before 2020. I'd wait for a lightweight 1400kg-ish four-banger turbo, hardcore M2 evil twin.

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No need for M2 CSL, at least for me. I looked at the M3 CSL and thought that it was cool more than anything else. I eagerly await on pix and pricing of the M2.
Really? Fact is it remains the fastest BMW on the N-Ring till today, more than 10 years.
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Really? Fact is it remains the fastest BMW on the N-Ring till today, more than 10 years.
Ummm...
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That is nothing, it is a shame. Compared difference between M3 E46 and M3 CSL to difference between M3 E92 and M3 GTS, that is a whole different planet.
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That is nothing, it is a shame. Compared difference between M3 E46 and M3 CSL to difference between M3 E92 and M3 GTS, that is a whole different planet.
Please enlighten me. How on Earth is an M3 GTS, with it's beautiful 4.4L a "shame"? Not that I'm usually interested in cars like the CSL's and GTS', but I really don't understand what you are saying.

My point was that you said the E46 CSL still had the fastest Nurburgring time, which you were obviously wrong.
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Wait, I thought there were a few times of newer BMWs that were faster than the CSL?
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Really? Fact is it remains the fastest BMW on the N-Ring till today, more than 10 years.
Still don't care for it. It's not all about the fastest laptime for me.
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No need for M2 CSL, at least for me. I looked at the M3 CSL and thought that it was cool more than anything else. I eagerly await on pix and pricing of the M2.
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That is nothing, it is a shame. Compared difference between M3 E46 and M3 CSL to difference between M3 E92 and M3 GTS, that is a whole different planet.
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My point was that you said the E46 CSL still had the fastest Nurburgring time, which you were obviously wrong.
Always a pleasure to hear the CSL airbox sing.

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Hell no, it's been too long of a wait already. I really wish they would release specs soon before I go and buy another Porsche.
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I'm all for modding myself, but the N55 has been proven to be limited in tuning/ modding potential, really my biggest concern with the M2. I'm really hoping the beefed up these engines to handle higher hp numbers. If the N550T0 proves to be a tunable engine, I would much rather spend 15k in mods and have the car screaming.
I kind of get what you are saying, but at the same time, does the car really need that much more power? The M2 is supposed to be 360-380 hp, which really means whp. To me, that's plenty for a car this size. If I really wanted more power, than an M3/4 would make more sense IMO.
The honest truth is nobody really needs the extra power for street driving. Just hop over to the M3/M4 side to read all the comments about the nannies constantly interfering to keep the car on the road. We're at a weird crossroad. Because of marketing, car companies keep giving us more power yet they have to design very clever systems to compensate for that power, or else most people would crash. Gosh I remember my 98 M roadster had a snappy rear end and that only had 240 hp...
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If you think about the juncture we are at now, the M3/M4 shares VERY similar figures to the Porsche 959, which was the ULTIMATE supercar not too many years ago.

Now imagine 400hp (claimed) in a stripped out little ///M2 of 3,300lbs or so, it would be MADNESS!
0-62mph would be under 4 seconds, Nurburg I would assume would be around 7:45 and possibly even quicker if it's got stickier tyres.
I don't know if I'll be in a position to buy one of these, so price dependent, I would DEFINITELY look into waiting out for this car!
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The honest truth is nobody really needs the extra power for street driving. Just hop over to the M3/M4 side to read all the comments about the nannies constantly interfering to keep the car on the road. We're at a weird crossroad. Because of marketing, car companies keep giving us more power yet they have to design very clever systems to compensate for that power, or else most people would crash. Gosh I remember my 98 M roadster had a snappy rear end and that only had 240 hp...
Agreed. That's why I was never all that concerned when they said the car would have 360-370 hp (the regular M2 that is). I drove the M235i and that was more than quick enough. Hell my 240hp E36 M3 feels fine for everyday driving.

That's why cars like the Z06 and GTRs don't interest me all that much. When the hell are you going to get to use them? I'd much rather have a car like an M2 or a GT4.
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The honest truth is nobody really needs the extra power for street driving. Just hop over to the M3/M4 side to read all the comments about the nannies constantly interfering to keep the car on the road. We're at a weird crossroad. Because of marketing, car companies keep giving us more power yet they have to design very clever systems to compensate for that power, or else most people would crash. Gosh I remember my 98 M roadster had a snappy rear end and that only had 240 hp...
Agreed. That's why I was never all that concerned when they said the car would have 360-370 hp (the regular M2 that is). I drove the M235i and that was more than quick enough. Hell my 240hp E36 M3 feels fine for everyday driving.

That's why cars like the Z06 and GTRs don't interest me all that much. When the hell are you going to get to use them? I'd much rather have a car like an M2 or a GT4.
I honestly find 300 to 400 hp on a modern car to be a "sweet spot" between power and control.
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I honestly find 300 to 400 hp on a modern car to be a "sweet spot" between power and control.
Agreed. The M5/6 is another example. I had a chance to test drive one at the Performance Center and all it did coming out of the corners was flash the traction control light at me.

I really honestly do think that we are at a turning point where more focus will be towards weight rather than power.
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SCOTT just mentioned that BMW MAY be investigating a more hardcore M2 with more cues from the vision GT. Personally, I am extremely interested in a more intense M2 but will still wait to determine if the base M2 will meet my needs. Things that may have me wait until a possible announcement of a GTS/CSL version would be the lack of a CF roof option, weight > 3400 lbs, the N55 not having the initial HP desired or tuning potential. If a buffed version would to be announced within the first year of the M2 with CF roof, the S55, better looks, and a price 10-15k above the M2 I may just have to wait... God damnit
This will literally never happen. I don't believe any of those cars EVER got complete engine swaps, but S55? in the M2? and if this car doesn't have a CF roof I'll be looking at something else after the 235.
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This will literally never happen. I don't believe any of those cars EVER got complete engine swaps, but S55? in the M2? and if this car doesn't have a CF roof I'll be looking at something else after the 235.
He was talking about the M2 CSL.
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First year M2 for me. I held myself back from the 1M and kick myself over and over. I bought my STi with the new body on the first year and haven't had one issue with the car. Maybe I treat my cars differently than others and check fluid levels on pretty much every fill up.

I think we will see a M2 CLS type car but I really doubt we will get it here in the States. I won't be wishing and waiting for one either. Car companies all throw these special cars out there but I highly doubt the states will see it.

I'll keep my STi as my daily and throw this M2 into the mix. Just waiting to see what the final specs will be. I don't want to have to mod as much as I did with the STi to get it to where I wanted it.
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He was talking about the M2 CSL.
My bad for some reason I was thinking s65 engine, excuse that comment.
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Yes the car NEED the extra power because I am paying a premium on it and it is competing with other high performance cars. I don't need it when I am cruising but need it whenever being called upon

This car is not for only cruising and if so this is the wrong forum for it. M stands for Motorsports and in Motorsports horse power is never enough!!!
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Yes the car NEED the extra power because I am paying a premium on it and it is competing with other high performance cars. I don't need it when I am cruising but need it whenever being called upon

This car is not for only cruising and if so this is the wrong forum for it. M stands for Motorsports and in Motorsports horse power is never enough!!!

I wouldn't say NEED, but I say it is expected. I think the sweet spot is around 420-430 whp with a tune. Head over to the M3/M4 forums where their cars come stock with that amount of hp and see how many of them are complaining about power. Quite the opposite actually, many of those guys are tuning and modding already to get to the high 400s/ low 500s. I was pulling around 380-390 whp on my n54 135i, with the confidence of a better suspension and thicker tires I expect more power out of the M2.

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