[snaimpally]

Originally Posted by angelbones

I am considering the TTS since it has been updated for 2016. It's about the only competitor to the M235.

What about the Audi S3 as a competitor to the M235i?

[angelbones]

Originally Posted by snaimpally

What about the Audi S3 as a competitor to the M235i?

I'm a coupe man, and while it is intriguing pricewise and a valid comparison for some, I don't need and don't want more than two doors. Not to go OT, but my C&D just arrived today, and the ATS coupe is looking more interesting. What I like about that, and one thing that attracts me to the 2 series is that it is not a heavy 2+2 coupe, such as the A5/S5, or the Lexus RC 350. Another coupe that I'm anticipating will be the 2016 (maybe 2017) Infiniti Q60 coupe. However, I fear it will suffer the same affliction as the other cars I mentioned. Luckily, I have time to figure it out and I am VERY happy with my 228. Curious where the 2 series will be for the 2017 and 2018 model years.

[bimmercar]

looks like RS3 is also coming to the US now....

[abp689]

Originally Posted by abp689
It's articles like this that have me second guessing my decision to wait for the M2.

Originally Posted by neilvosko

please explain

For a daily driver, it sounds like the 235 will be hard to beat. Compared to the M2, it may be around $12k cheaper, good fun on the road, and most importantly, I could have it this summer.

Plus, lack of M2 info is getting long in the tooth.

[uberspeed]

Originally Posted by abp689

Originally Posted by abp689
It's articles like this that have me second guessing my decision to wait for the M2.



For a daily driver, it sounds like the 235 will be hard to beat. Compared to the M2, it may be around $12k cheaper, good fun on the road, and most importantly, I could have it this summer.

Plus, lack of M2 info is getting long in the tooth.

So lease a 235 and you'll be ready to consider the M2 a year or two in after the fervor has potentially died down. Win/win.

[focal]

I drive a RWD f30 and it is the perfect DD. For a fun car I have ordered a GT4. A TT/235 would feel too sedan like for a second car. To complete the garage I will probably pick up a Miata someday.

Street cars and track cars or convertibles all have their place. I prefer purpose built.

[2030car]

I know that we are all BMW enthusiasts here but SERIOUSLY? You are comparing a 2 series (which is a basically a 3 series with 2 doors) which is comparable to MANY coupes out there to the iconic Cayman!

The Cayman is the epitome of a coupe. It is almost perfect, its a mid-engine coupe with chassis suspension that goes epically beyond what a 2 series can do. The PDK transmission is a marvel by itself and you do not need the S version, the base version is just fine and it weighs hundreds of pounds less than the 2 Series.

The Cayman is beyond the 2 series in terms of ride, chassis, handling, transmission, weight, and its a Porsche. Honestly, they are not really comparable, the Cayman is in a different league.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by abp689

Originally Posted by abp689
It's articles like this that have me second guessing my decision to wait for the M2.

For a daily driver, it sounds like the 235 will be hard to beat. Compared to the M2, it may be around $12k cheaper, good fun on the road, and most importantly, I could have it this summer.

Plus, lack of M2 info is getting long in the tooth.

I think the times you'll be wishing you had the M2, for non track driving which is 99% of the time anyway, will be few and far between.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by snaimpally

What about the Audi S3 as a competitor to the M235i?

I drove it, hated it. Audi dealer then got in my 235 and came out shaking his head, agreed it was a much better drivers car.

[abp689]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

I think the times you'll be wishing you had the M2, for non track driving which is 99% of the time anyway, will be few and far between.

100% agree. Really, when I take the 328 out on a spirited drive, it doesn't take long before I've exceeded the law. And that thing is still enjoyable.

I've never been in a position to justify an M and this is the only reason I am holding out. Just hope we get specs soon.

[overcoil]

Doesn't come up easily in SEARCH but did this AUTOCAR tested 235 have our U.S. standard dynamic susoension?

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by abp689

100% agree. Really, when I take the 328 out on a spirited drive, it doesn't take long before I've exceeded the law. And that thing is still enjoyable.

I've never been in a position to justify an M and this is the only reason I am holding out. Just hope we get specs soon.

Maybe I'm getting old but extra $ for something that's 1. Less comfortable a ride and 2. I get no benefit from driving even aggressively on US roads doesn't interest me much.

[angelbones]

Originally Posted by 2030car

I know that we are all BMW enthusiasts here but SERIOUSLY? You are comparing a 2 series (which is a basically a 3 series with 2 doors) which is comparable to MANY coupes out there to the iconic Cayman!

The Cayman is the epitome of a coupe. It is almost perfect, its a mid-engine coupe with chassis suspension that goes epically beyond what a 2 series can do. The PDK transmission is a marvel by itself and you do not need the S version, the base version is just fine and it weighs hundreds of pounds less than the 2 Series.

The Cayman is beyond the 2 series in terms of ride, chassis, handling, transmission, weight, and its a Porsche. Honestly, they are not really comparable, the Cayman is in a different league.

TOTALLY agree. However, the Cayman crosses that threshold into next level of buyers, due to price. A fully loaded M235 for $50k or totally bare bones, non-S Cayman for $55k. Not an apples to apples comparison. In fact, the TTS is close to getting into Cayman price territory, but optioned right is manageable. The average person looking at cars in the $40k, $50k, and $60k price range are usually three different buyers. On the other hand, there may be a lot more cross shopping in the $30k or $40k price range. For $60k, while a Cayman is a strong contender, just to name a few other options, there is the Hellcat Challenger, the Corvette, the C63 AMG, the Audi S5, the Alfa 4C, Jag F-type coupe, etc. Not to mention cheaper insurance on those cars as compared to a Porsche. Again, I agree that the Cayman is a superior car, but just the wrong comparison for most people.

[angelbones]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

I drove it, hated it. Audi dealer then got in my 235 and came out shaking his head, agreed it was a much better drivers car.

I have driven the TT a couple years back. Not turned off, but not excited either. I have never driven a TTS but the updated 2016 slightly smaller/lighter version looks more interesting. Do a search for a TTS on Autotrader, and you'll be lucky to find a 2015 new one (and only a few used) for sale ANYWHERE in the US. Talk about low volume. If I ever see one on the lot, I'll have to test drive it as it appears that dealers won't even stock them. Curious how you even found one to drive. Not being sarcastic, I genuinely wonder how you found one to drive.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by angelbones

I have driven the TT a couple years back. Not turned off, but not excited either. I have never driven a TTS but the updated 2016 slightly smaller/lighter version looks more interesting. Do a search for a TTS on Autotrader, and you'll be lucky to find a 2015 new one (and only a few used) for sale ANYWHERE in the US. Talk about low volume. If I ever see one on the lot, I'll have to test drive it as it appears that dealers won't even stock them. Curious how you even found one to drive. Not being sarcastic, I genuinely wonder how you found one to drive.

Drove the S3 not current TTS. Drove the old one I'm 5'6" and almost cracked my skull open trying to see if anyone could sit in the back for a short trip. M235 I've had 3 guys 6'+ in it at once. Not ideal but doable.

[angelbones]

No kids here, so little concern for back seat size. I think even Audi gives a suggested height limit for back seat passengers. That said, I don't want a two seater (although if I could afford certain cars, I might sacrifice), and like the fact that BMW, Audi, et. al., have back seats, even if they are small. In fact, the insurance companies charge less on their premiums if there is a back seat. However, you make a fine point about height, as I'm getting to the point that I might be a little (just a little) too old to be literally crawling in and out of a car. Still, since I have no kids, I have the luxury of considering non-practical coupes.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by angelbones

No kids here, so little concern for back seat size. I think even Audi gives a suggested height limit for back seat passengers. That said, I don't want a two seater (although if I could afford certain cars, I might sacrifice), and like the fact that BMW, Audi, et. al., have back seats, even if they are small. In fact, the insurance companies charge less on their premiums if there is a back seat. However, you make a fine point about height, as I'm getting to the point that I might be a little (just a little) too old to be literally crawling in and out of a car. Still, since I have no kids, I have the luxury of considering non-practical coupes.

It's nice to be able to throw a reasonable sized adult in the back in a pinch, even if it's less than ideal. No kids here but the GF is 5'10" and most of my buddies are 6' or over, and they can climb back there with her up front no problem. They bitch about getting in and out but once settled they're fine for a quick trip to dinner or whatever.

[BIGMIG]

GTS vs M2 next year.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Think the "test" is a joke since the Cayman is a totally different type of car. Would have made the same listing.

1.Cayman
2.M235
3.TT

Was an easy choice. Don't think most buying the Cayman are much concerned about the price. That said the M235 has a lot of performance value for its price point.

[ryanrule]

so they took a rwd car (when the awd version is faster and exists!) against a awd car, and a car that would cost 30k more with options.

Are they going after the top gear model of car comparisons? Lets compare a 150k amg merc to a dodge muscle car!