[DS_BMW]

When is this being released? Before the M2?

[MikeT]

After.

Conventional wisdom is that the m240i will be a 2017 model with production starting in July 2016.

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by MikeT

After.

Conventional wisdom is that the m240i will be a 2017 model with production starting in July 2016.

Cool. Thanks

[MrBimmerM235i]

Originally Posted by MikeT

After.

Conventional wisdom is that the m240i will be a 2017 model with production starting in July 2016.

Exactly what she said!

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

When is this being released? Before the M2?

Other than the nomenclature of "M240i" vs "M235i", are there any performance or power enhancements in the B58B30M0 engine of the M240i over the N55 which is currently in M235i?

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Other than the nomenclature of "M240i" vs "M235i", are there any performance or power enhancements in the B58B30M0 engine of the M240i over the N55 which is currently in M235i?

Other than hypothetical speculation, not much is known. And going by BMW's rating vs true engine output makes the conversation even more fuzzy.

The M240 will have the same "Wow!" impact that the 340i had - which is, not much at all. A few standard equipment tweaks, a higher base price, and some other bits and pieces that in day to day living will not make a huge difference.

But given the number of people who commented on the HVAC lighting color change between 2014 and 2015 I'm sure there will be plenty of concerns.

[Jassiefresh]

I wouldn't wait for a m240i over m235i.

[Luftwaffe1O1]

It is all rumor, but I heard that the M240i should get an increased output by 15hp~ or so. Taking it closer to around 335hp or 340hp.

Since the regular 3er is getting 320hp, it would seem odd to keep the power rating for a supposed M performance model in the same power range.

[uberspeed]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

Other than hypothetical speculation, not much is known. And going by BMW's rating vs true engine output makes the conversation even more fuzzy.

The M240 will have the same "Wow!" impact that the 340i had - which is, not much at all. A few standard equipment tweaks, a higher base price, and some other bits and pieces that in day to day living will not make a huge difference.

But given the number of people who commented on the HVAC lighting color change between 2014 and 2015 I'm sure there will be plenty of concerns.

Didn't the F30 LCI also get a better suspension set up, even the base? I could've sworn I read that over on Bimmerfest...

Some think the refreshed 340i is a step back in the right direction: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...i-first-drive/

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Originally Posted by uberspeed

Didn't the F30 LCI also get a better suspension set up, even the base? I could've sworn I read that over on Bimmerfest...

Some think the refreshed 340i is a step back in the right direction: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...i-first-drive/

Yeah it supposed to have gotten more oomph and better suspension tuning.

If the M240i receives the same attention... more power, better suspension, it might even be too close for comfort to the M2.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Jassiefresh

I wouldn't wait for a m240i over m235i.

Please elaborate.

[Jassiefresh]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Please elaborate.

The thread OP is anticipating the drop date for the vehicle. I wonder why getting a 240 would be so anticipated? A very small bump in performance not worth the wait, if you can get a good deal on a 235 now. I would not hold out for a 240, but I would hold out for an M2.

[FlyingScot1050]

Originally Posted by uberspeed

Didn't the F30 LCI also get a better suspension set up, even the base? I could've sworn I read that over on Bimmerfest...

Some think the refreshed 340i is a step back in the right direction: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...i-first-drive/

They addressed nearly-universal complaints about the suspension and steering on the 3/4ers. Don't believe those 2 series has received such complaints, so I'd be surprised if there was even a chance in those departments.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Jassiefresh

The thread OP is anticipating the drop date for the vehicle. I wonder why getting a 240 would be so anticipated? A very small bump in performance not worth the wait, if you can get a good deal on a 235 now. I would not hold out for a 240, but I would hold out for an M2.

Gotcha.

The new engine is better.

If i was going to own it for many years to come id want the new engine.

If i was to lease, I see your point as a very valid one.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

It is all rumor, but I heard that the M240i should get an increased output by 15hp~ or so. Taking it closer to around 335hp or 340hp.

Since the regular 3er is getting 320hp, it would seem odd to keep the power rating for a supposed M performance model in the same power range.

Would that give it power equal to 1.21 gigawatts?

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Gotcha.

The new engine is better.

If i was going to own it for many years to come id want the new engine.

If i was to lease, I see your point as a very valid one.

Also if owning from a resale perspective you're better off with the latest model. Lease again not an issue. Next fall snagging a 2016 leftover if you can find one you like would be a great value though.

[G8rGrl]

I have no evidence or official source for this...but I have a suspicion it will debut as the 240i and lose all the M-badges. It would make a clearer distinction between the 240i and the M2.

[nike001]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

It is all rumor, but I heard that the M240i should get an increased output by 15hp~ or so. Taking it closer to around 335hp or 340hp.

Since the regular 3er is getting 320hp, it would seem odd to keep the power rating for a supposed M performance model in the same power range.

I wouldn't be surprised. They have the current M235i with 320hp, they don't want to annoy them (ahem, us), the 340 is bigger/heavier.. thus a little slower, and the M2 is only a stone's-throw away power-wise as it is. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it 320hp. That, and since the engine is new; I doubt they developed a PPK for it yet, especially with all the work they put into the M2/X4 M40i engine. I doubt they'll slide another power rating there between everything.

Originally Posted by Jassiefresh

The thread OP is anticipating the drop date for the vehicle. I wonder why getting a 240 would be so anticipated? A very small bump in performance not worth the wait, if you can get a good deal on a 235 now. I would not hold out for a 240, but I would hold out for an M2.

If you plan on "holding out" for a 240, you might as well hold out for an M2 IMO. I don't see the 240 being much different than the already 235.

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

I have no evidence or official source for this...but I have a suspicion it will debut as the 240i and lose all the M-badges. It would make a clearer distinction between the 240i and the M2.

Not a bad idea. Who knows.

[gmx]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

Other than hypothetical speculation, not much is known. And going by BMW's rating vs true engine output makes the conversation even more fuzzy.

The M240 will have the same "Wow!" impact that the 340i had - which is, not much at all. A few standard equipment tweaks, a higher base price, and some other bits and pieces that in day to day living will not make a huge difference.

But given the number of people who commented on the HVAC lighting color change between 2014 and 2015 I'm sure there will be plenty of concerns.

340i has an AWIC and shorter intake tract.

I wonder what is the better base.

Edit: Also closed deck. How'd ya'll miss these details????

[SCMike]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

I have no evidence or official source for this...but I have a suspicion it will debut as the 240i and lose all the M-badges. It would make a clearer distinction between the 240i and the M2.

Oh, no. I don't mind the loss of all the silly M-badges, but if they de-content the 240i relative to the M235i...or force you to buy the moon roof in a package. Aarghh.

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by gmx

340i has an AWIC and shorter intake tract.

I wonder what is the better base.

Edit: Also closed deck. How'd ya'll miss these details????

Yes. The 240i will have a new closed deck engine and (alleged) bump in HP. If I were the OP, I would wait. If BMW follows its typical schedule the 240i may be available at the dealership August or September.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1133836

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

I have no evidence or official source for this...but I have a suspicion it will debut as the 240i and lose all the M-badges. It would make a clearer distinction between the 240i and the M2.

You're absolutely right that such a change would make sense, as it would bring the 2-series in line with the 3/4/5 series in having entry-level 4-cylinder(s), a mid-range non-M 6 cyl and a top-end M car.

And that could happen.

Or not. In various interviews, BMW execs have touted the fact that the m235i has been the top seller within the 2-series range. It's fair to infer that they've been pleasantly surprised at how well the m235i has been selling. Would a 240i without the M badge sell as well? Would a 240i be de-contented to make the m2 more appealing? If buyers move up to the m2, then no sweat, right? But if they move down or don't buy at all, well, that's a problem. Are they willing to take the chance of sabotaging one of their surprise-success products? At the end of the day, the if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it approach could prevail, and the M badge stays on. Just my 2 cents' worth...