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      04-16-2015, 05:18 PM   #45
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Hey Guys,

Thanks for all the interest and positive feedback!

Recently we have received a lot of inquiries asking if our PURE Stage 2 turbo is available for late model cars with the electronic wastegate.

It absolutely is available! We have it available for all late model cars. m235i, 435i, 535i, etc...

In fact these late model cars seem to make even more power than the e-series. If you haven't already seen it, here's our late model EWG turbo results from the BMS 435i, 536WHP!!! :


Thank you!

How well is the 8ZF holding up with this power?
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How well is the 8ZF holding up with this power?
Very well. We have 3x 8spd cars running the PURE Stage 2 at over 500whp. Neither has ever slipped or had any issues. The 8ZF seems underrated.

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Very well. We have 3x 8spd cars running the PURE Stage 2 at over 500whp. Neither has ever slipped or had any issues. The 8ZF seems underrated.
Has the manual gearbox held up just as well?
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Has the manual gearbox held up just as well?
Yes Sir. We have these turbos running on 6MT, 7DCT, and 8ZF. All running great without any transmission issues.

However, do note: We recommend a clutch upgrade for 6MT cars and a back end flash for DCT cars.
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Holly sh!t, I'm extremely excited. I didn't know the turbo was already out.

Please pure send me a quote on both the Stage I and II Turbochargers, do you need a core charge?

Can you post a dyno between stage I and II turbos on the m135i or m235?. I'd like to see how much torque I'm I going to loose down low.
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Holly sh!t, I'm extremely excited. I didn't know the turbo was already out.

Please pure send me a quote on both the Stage I and II Turbochargers, do you need a core charge?

Can you post a dyno between stage I and II turbos on the m135i or m235?. I'd like to see how much torque I'm I going to loose down low.
You will lose a bit (not much) upto 3.5k rpm. Then stage2 is king till 7k rpm

Pm me your mail address i will mail you a dyno comparing both.
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You will lose a bit (not much) upto 3.5k rpm. Then stage2 is king till 7k rpm

Pm me your mail address i will mail you a dyno comparing both.
PM sent, waiting for all information on this upgrade, my next upgrade!

I'm wondering if the stock fueling system will keep up with this turbo at 22psi
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You will lose a bit (not much) upto 3.5k rpm. Then stage2 is king till 7k rpm

Pm me your mail address i will mail you a dyno comparing both.
PM sent, waiting for all information on this upgrade, my next upgrade!

I'm wondering if the stock fueling system will keep up with this turbo at 22psi
I didnt get your pm. Also stock fuel system wont keep up with 22 psi.
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Thanks for detail / info. What is I run 10 gal of 92 (WA good gas) with 3.5 gal of e85? Think I would be ok with 18psi?

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On just 93, timing wise the car is happy at 16 psi. Maybe you can try 17 psi as well. To have good timings you would need around E20/93 mix to do 18 psi. But you will have to see if your HPFP can do this.
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What kind of fueling strategy is utilized to get 535 HP+????

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Hey Guys,

Thanks for all the interest and positive feedback!

Recently we have received a lot of inquiries asking if our PURE Stage 2 turbo is available for late model cars with the electronic wastegate.

It absolutely is available! We have it available for all late model cars. m235i, 435i, 535i, etc...

In fact these late model cars seem to make even more power than the e-series. If you haven't already seen it, here's our late model EWG turbo results from the BMS 435i, 536WHP!!! :



Thank you!
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What kind of fueling strategy is utilized to get 535 HP+????
Very interested in this as well
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Thanks for detail / info. What is I run 10 gal of 92 (WA good gas) with 3.5 gal of e85? Think I would be ok with 18psi?

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On just 93, timing wise the car is happy at 16 psi. Maybe you can try 17 psi as well. To have good timings you would need around E20/93 mix to do 18 psi. But you will have to see if your HPFP can do this.
Only way to know is to test and review some logs. But i think that would be ok.
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What kind of fueling strategy is utilized to get 535 HP+????
Very interested in this as well
I think bms used some 100 oct fuel and meth to get those numbers.
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I think bms used some 100 oct fuel and meth to get those numbers.
Quoting Terry:

"Ran 50% race gas with the rest a mixture of 91 with a bit of E85 in it. With 100% race gas I think our fuel pressure would hold a bit stronger and we could push the boost a bit higher."

This doesn't mean it requires race fuel to make this power. We just made 523whp on a F30 w/ pneumatic wastegate on e59 pump mix + meth.
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Quoting Terry:

"Ran 50% race gas with the rest a mixture of 91 with a bit of E85 in it. With 100% race gas I think our fuel pressure would hold a bit stronger and we could push the boost a bit higher."

This doesn't mean it requires race fuel to make this power. We just made 523whp on a F30 w/ pneumatic wastegate on e59 pump mix + meth.
Tnx for correcting me. I wasn't sure I only recalled something about using race gas. Forgot it was mixed with 91 and E85.
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Very well. We have 3x 8spd cars running the PURE Stage 2 at over 500whp. Neither has ever slipped or had any issues. The 8ZF seems underrated.
I believe the 8ZF is also in the new supercharged range rovers which are also over 500hp so this makes sense.

Great news! congrats
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Yes Sir. We have these turbos running on 6MT, 7DCT, and 8ZF. All running great without any transmission issues.

However, do note: We recommend a clutch upgrade for 6MT cars and a back end flash for DCT cars.
Does that mean the 8at folks get a free pass on having to upgrade anything? haha
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Tnx for correcting me. I wasn't sure I only recalled something about using race gas. Forgot it was mixed with 91 and E85.
Hey Darkied, I'm researching different stage 2 turbo options for my M235i. It's already FBO, including the BMS Meth kit.

How had the turbo been since you've got it installed?

How has the car been? Any stress issues?

What "races" have you been in an what is your car equivalent to in terms of real world performance (i.e. Porsche 911S, Gallardo, Aventador)?

What other turbos did you consider? I'm looking at Vargas, Hexon, and Steam as well.

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Hey Darkied, I'm researching different stage 2 turbo options for my M235i. It's already FBO, including the BMS Meth kit.

How had the turbo been since you've got it installed?

How has the car been? Any stress issues?

What "races" have you been in an what is your car equivalent to in terms of real world performance (i.e. Porsche 911S, Gallardo, Aventador)?

What other turbos did you consider? I'm looking at Vargas, Hexon, and Steam as well.

Thanks!
The turbo has been great so far. It's a really nice unit.

The car has been a blast to drive even more so since I had the pure stage 2 on the car for over a year now.

The car with port injection is faster in roll race than stock 991 turbo, stock gallardo, stock aventador, stock R8 V10. Even faster than tuned RS6, tuned M5/M6. Of course add turbo upgrades to above cars and you're toast There is always a bigger fish in the pond that you'll meet someday.

But really it's faster than most cars that you'll come by.

I never considered Vargas for obvious reasons (customer support, the guy is not nice on forums etc (big mouth, talking bad about other vendors). Steam I did not hear about but some research shows they are limited around 500 whp. Hexon heard some decent stuff about but not sure about reliability.

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The turbo has been great so far. It's a really nice unit.

The car has been a blast to drive even more so since I had the pure stage 2 on the car for over a year now.

The car with port injection is faster in roll race than stock 991 turbo, stock gallardo, stock aventador, stock R8 V10. Even faster than tuned RS6, tuned M5/M6. Of course add turbo upgrades to above cars and you're toast There is always a bigger fish in the pond that you'll meet someday.

But really it's faster than most cars that you'll come by.

I never considered Vargas for obvious reasons (customer support, the guy is not nice on forums etc (big mouth, talking bad about other vendors). Steam I did not hear about but some research shows they are limited around 500 whp. Hexon heard some decent stuff about but not sure about reliability.

Greetz,
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Sounds like Pure is still top choice!

How quick was the car before port injection? Did PI make a big difference? Which PI kit are you running?

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The turbo has been great so far. It's a really nice unit.

The car has been a blast to drive even more so since I had the pure stage 2 on the car for over a year now.

The car with port injection is faster in roll race than stock 991 turbo, stock gallardo, stock aventador, stock R8 V10. Even faster than tuned RS6, tuned M5/M6. Of course add turbo upgrades to above cars and you're toast There is always a bigger fish in the pond that you'll meet someday.

But really it's faster than most cars that you'll come by.

I never considered Vargas for obvious reasons (customer support, the guy is not nice on forums etc (big mouth, talking bad about other vendors). Steam I did not hear about but some research shows they are limited around 500 whp. Hexon heard some decent stuff about but not sure about reliability.

Greetz,
Peter
Sounds like Pure is still top choice!

How quick was the car before port injection? Did PI make a big difference? Which PI kit are you running?

Thanks!
I have a thread up at n54tech.com n55 section with latest dyno. It also shows comparison between meth/tbi/pi on my car. F20
M135i dyno thread.

I would say pure stage 2 and PI is a killer combo. Its so smooth and reliable. Car has never been better since i had pi on the car.

If you have the budget PI and pure stage2 is something you won't regret.

I went with the Fuel-IT platinum kit as it just looks very nice and Steve's support has no limits. And its attractively priced.
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Darkie I was following your progress for some time but I lost track of it.

I remember you had issues with fueling and tried several solutions with not 100% success.

Would you please share your setup at the moment and let us know if it's currently running at full efficiency?
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