M235i Replaces 3 Series on Car and Driver's 10 Best List 2015

JRV · 11-20-2014, 06:51 PM

I didn't see it mentioned on this thread but I keep hearing/reading but not buying into this whole competition has caught up shenanigans. Does anyone even see that 1 competition on this list? Closest is CTS which is more of a 5 comp. Just sayin....

psuibmw · 11-20-2014, 06:57 PM

Mazda is the only auto maker that has two cars on the list. Surprisingly, you ask most people would you talk a Mazda6 over a 328i or Audi A4, the answer is a big no. Another point, what does Mazda3 bring to the table to deserve a seat? The answer is plain nothing. I can argue with all other cars on the list (except the M235 of course!).

I stopped my C&D subscription last year when I noticed the Detroit influence on it ... Never returning back ... Good for you MT!

Stavros · 11-20-2014, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MRV99

When the 3 series grew to the size of the e39(5 series)what do you expect. The 2 series is what 3 series used to be.

Precisely!

hyperzulu · 11-20-2014, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JRV

I didn't see it mentioned on this thread but I keep hearing/reading but not buying into this whole competition has caught up shenanigans. Does anyone even see that 1 competition on this list? Closest is CTS which is more of a 5 comp. Just sayin....

CTS will trickle down to the new ATS and ATS-V which Cadillac is trying to push to the 3/4 series and M3/4 buyers.

ALMOST///M · 11-20-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 335BOY

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Originally Posted by WWM3

Hopefully this is a wake up call to BMW.

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Originally Posted by Kyle B

Having the 3 series dropped from 10 best after being on it for over twenty years should seriously concern BMW. That is not a good thing at all. And I agree 'M235i' is a convoluted name.

wake up call? WTF? Its bigger, softer and there is a ton of competition. The marketplace has changed. Hardly any demand for MT and huge demand for softer suspension and AWD. Wake up call?? I don't get that.

Wake up call to BMW marketing, as they won't be able to say 10 best car list for 24 consecutive years. Otherwise, I highly doubt it'll effect sales. At this point, the BMW 3 series is bigger than any award.

Literally hahah

Lucky13 · 11-20-2014, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperzulu

CTS will trickle down to the new ATS and ATS-V which Cadillac is trying to push to the 3/4 series and M3/4 buyers.

Trying is the correct word. Cadillac sales of ATS and CTS are down significantly this year and inventory is well over 140 day supply at dealers. As long as it's a part of GM it will continue to suck, just look at the dealers. 3 times as many dealers as BMW with half the sales.

PhillyNate · 11-20-2014, 07:12 PM

WTF is this company doing...besides making money.

evanescent03 · 11-20-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by davis449

It won't concern them one bit. The M235i is on there to replace it and I can promise you they're just fine with that.

agreed! still love my f80 but i need the size for the kiddos. if i didn't nee that space i would've looked harder at the 2s.

tony20009 · 11-20-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fcman

Not surprised, the 2 series is everything the 3 series used to be. The M2 will likely be the best car in BMWs lineup

+1

I was thinking exactly that!

All the best.

IB M · 11-20-2014, 07:42 PM

The King is dead. Long live the new King.

M235i at Charlotte autoshow today.

The long haul · 11-20-2014, 07:45 PM

No surprise...
The F30 sucks as a drivers car, sorry but if you disagree you've lost touch with what a 3 series always was.
The F10 is drop dead sexy but sucks in the driving dynamic area too.
I've grown to like the F80/2 but I don't love it.
The M235 is the only car I really like and I sure as shit ain't rushing out to buy it.
M2, possibly if it isn't like te current line up.

dmboone25 · 11-20-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Downeaster1

I agree that the current F30 shouldn't make the list...but replacing it with the M235i? That thing is just as soft as the F30...Shouldn't be anywhere near that list in my opinion.

Yes, it's very squishy.

IM2C · 11-20-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WWM3

Hopefully this is a wake up call to BMW.

Sadly, no.

IM2C · 11-20-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MRV99

When the 3 series grew to the size of the e39(5 series)what do you expect. The 2 series is what 3 series used to be.

Laws of physics and average human size didn't change. Human grandiosity did.

midwest 340xi 6sp · 11-20-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Bubble

It is a wake up call for a 3-series product/project manager.
3 series cars are almost "bread-and-butter" for BMW and they just lost the top spot, I would be surprised.

Are they incented on C&D top 10 list or market share and profit while adhering to some bmw genetic?

I'll bet its volume and P&L first

snaimpally · 11-20-2014, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle B

Having the 3 series dropped from 10 best after being on it for over twenty years should seriously concern BMW. That is not a good thing at all. And I agree 'M235i' is a convoluted name.

Not really. Like many other car makers, its about model creep - each year, the cars become bigger and eventually the manufacturer brings in a new smaller model to take the place of the original small model. The Corolla and Civic used to be the smallest models in Toyota's and Honda's lineups. As the models got bigger, they introduced the Tercel and the Fit.

BMW is no different. The 3 kept getting bigger and so they introduced the 1 (and now 2) series. So the new 2 series is the equivalent of the old 3 series.

Rupes · 11-20-2014, 09:09 PM

This is a big deal. They did not replace the 3 series with the 2 series either as some are claiming. Anyone who has read C&D for a long time knows that they felt the 3 series was the benchmark entry level luxury sedan over the last two plus decades. Its removal from this list suggests it no longer is.

Really, BMW, time to go back to building Ultimate Driving Machines again.

IB M · 11-20-2014, 09:10 PM

Change is hard. Too bad BMW did not stick to its true roots.

Diver · 11-20-2014, 10:07 PM

I honestly don't understand why the M235i is being hailed as the perfect car while the 135i was overlooked by so many automotive publications. I guess a decent set of tires makes all the difference.

The long haul · 11-20-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Diver

I honestly don't understand why the M235i is being hailed as the perfect car while the 135i was overlooked by so many automotive publications. I guess a decent set of tires makes all the difference.

No kidding, couldn't agree more. Personally I'll take the N54 an hydro steering. Plus the E82 looks miles better to me.

Fugly M3 · 11-20-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by e90im

Laws of physics and average human size didn't change. Human grandiosity did.

have you looked around recently...average human size is definitely trending in the same direction as the BMW cars...portly

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Originally Posted by Diver

I honestly don't understand why the M235i is being hailed as the perfect car while the 135i was overlooked by so many automotive publications. I guess a decent set of tires makes all the difference.

one of the comparison tests on the 228i (pre-track pack) acknowledged this...it's so true!

The long haul · 11-20-2014, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IB M

Change is hard. Too bad BMW did not stick to its true roots.

That is hardly the same thing. C'mon now let's not be daft. I suppose the 2002, 3.0csl and E9 never happened.

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