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10-14-2015, 06:08 PM | #1 |
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Why the M2 is much more car and worth every penny over the M235i
1. There won't be any ounce of compliance in the suspension/bushings/engine/trans mounts like there is in the M235i
2. The N55B30T0 is basically a detuned S55/N55 hybrid 3. The wide body is absolutely gorgeous and puts the car in another realm of style and presence 4. Its basically the E46 M3 / "right sized F8X" we've all been asking for Here's why you all should stop complaining: 1. BMW enthusiasts have frequently cited the e36 m3 as g-ds gift to man kind - the car had an upgraded M52 that only revved to 7k without the ITBs and other complexities of the S50 along with absolutely zero distinction from an M tech E36 316/18/20/23/25/28. Ok, so we only got the M tech model in 1994 and 1999 as the 325is and 328is but still my point is valid. It wasn't even that aggressive or stiff in stock form, although it handled extremely well and had great proportions (M235i's predecessor anyone?). At least the e36 had M mirrors 2. The M2 will be extremely hard core like the e46 m3. Stuff, rough, and I'm sure much more sonorous. It's wide body, like the e46. It's got the amazing M diff from the F8x and even the gray gauges with orange needles (like the e46 and f8x). So what if it doesn't have M mirrors???? It's the e46 reborn and the downsized F8x we've all been asking for!! This may very well be the last non hybrid, non Xdrive, manual, RWD, hard core track machine that BMW offers us enthusiasts. So I think it's time we buy as many as we can and show BMW our appreciation for not forgetting about us diehards. Who knows, maybe if we buy enough of them we'll can prevent BMW from making the next 2 series a fwd SUV convertible with 10 seats and a CVT...
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I agree with you.
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If BMW took a 135, or a 235, and called it a 1M or an M2, it would somehow be superior because of the $10 badge on it's trunk lid? Badge whores are killing cars like these...namely because they tend to interested in anything but the driving experience that once made these cars special. Numbers generators vs. dance partners.
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Yes, but not "because it's an M". But rather, because of the content. So your post "one is an M and one is not and that's all that needs to be said"...which has nothing to do with content, and everything to do with a label...is horrible.
BMW has been cutting back on what makes an M lately, so perhaps your assumptions...well...you know what they say.
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That being the case, you should amend the title of your thread which asks the question "Why the M2 is much more car and worth every penny over the M235i". You asked the question, I answered. just saying
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I trust you're not referring to missing M 'contents' like CF roof, M mirrors, M seats etc... cos i wasn't. i'm looking at M2 v 235 predominantly from driving dynamics perspective. edit - inb4 anyone picks up on the fact that we haven't driven the M2 and therefore I couldn't have known anything about M2 dynamics... it's just an educated guess from my 1M. 1M >> 235 but in M2, assumed similar uplift in 2er dynamics from M3/4 parts bin. Last edited by david.orr; 10-14-2015 at 07:29 PM.. |
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Yes the M235i is a very nice car - awesome car in fact.
Yes the M2 is going to be a very nice car - awesome car in fact. M "fanboys" trying (and epically failing) is no different than Apple fanboys or Jesus fanboys. Whatever floats your boat. In the meantime, I'll take the German-Manufactured, 350hp, AWD Focus RS please. |
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Nothing like an "M" car...Been lucky enough to have owned two of em in the past.. Loving what I see of the M2 too.
But sure am enjoying my M Performance 235 for now I'm in no rush to be first in line for an M2 or even 25th....Hell, having lived through the ball bearing recall of the S54, I'm now experienced enough to be a buyer year 2 of production (or later). And did I say? Loving my M Performance 235...
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related food for thought: the original M6 in the US was known as M635CSi in Europe.
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The deals that are made on the 2016 M235i makes you feel a bit fooled |
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10-15-2015, 08:36 AM | #18 |
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An M2 is "worth every penny" only to the people that find value in the money spent.
Only the siths deal in absolutes.....and the Jedi. Its beyond me why people cant understand that the M235/240 plays an important role. A base M2 with automatic tran is about 10k more than an M235..Thats a LOT of coin. An m235 is 80% the performance of an M2 for 3/4s of the price. A great deal of the people dont need and or want 100% of the performance of the M2 for daily driving. The question that could be asked is if you dont plan to track your car is an M2 and the extra 10k a silly option? Im not saying it is but it at least requires thought for every buyer... I dont own or have an M235 ordered so Im not being defensive... Last edited by tbonez3858; 10-15-2015 at 08:42 AM.. |
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The M235i rocks. Period. I have no interest in the M2. I didn't expect much anyway and it definitely did not deliver even on basic things like mirrors and the interior. |
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M2 may be too loud and rough-riding for some people especially as a daily driver. That's why it will probably always be a niche car. The main reason for M235i success is its versatility because despite having M-badge it can be setup at the flick of a switch to have soft steering/suspension and (relatively) quiet exhaust. On the other hand M2 will always be more hardcore and uncompromising which will naturally limit its appeal. So I don't think "M2 is much more car", I think the opposite is true because of its narrow focus. And speaking of "focus", yes, I would probably choose Focus RS over M2. The new Ford will be faster, cheaper, more practical and have much better traction while being build in Germany, just like BMW.
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Bingo. My M235i has all the performance I could ever use, and then some.
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2. It has 'pistons' from an S55 with the top ring. The N55 & S55 are entirely and completely separate engines. Taking such a small factor from one engine and putting it into another doesn't make it a hybrid. It's a tuned up N55, like what the X4 M40i will be getting. Like the 1M. This isn't even 235i vs M2. It's simple compare/contrast. If I put an apple seed in a watermelon, does that make the watermelon 'basically an apple'? No. 3. That's your opinion. I like the widebody, of course, but the front/rear bumpers are gaudy. 4. Same can be said for 235 1. Completely and entirely irrelevant. Not even sure why this was mentioned. 2. Grey gauges and orange needles? I wouldn't buy one just for that. 3. Same can be said for the 235. I think you're getting your hopes up of what you THINK the M2 will be like. Sure, It won't handle/feel like the 235, but it's not different/better/better looking enough for my liking. But if all that is why you have to justify to yourself into getting one then be my guest. The M235i got so much hate because of the M before the 235 and for some reason this M2 is getting more praise than anything BMW has done in recent years and I truthfully don't get it. If BMW never came out with the m235i and just came out with the 235i as the M2, it would SURELY get the same praise the M2 is now. It's all hype. People wanted M2 and it truthfully didn't matter what BMW did with it, people were going to love it. |
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