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      03-24-2015, 07:53 PM   #45
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F32/f82 most likely won't get a lci till model year 2018, it came out my 2014 pre lci runs 4 model years lci runs 3.
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Yes, I think you are correct. I was a little buzzed when I first posted.
2017 is when 4 series gets the 430 and 440, 2018 is when it gets LCI.
Although, the 2012 F30 was a very short production year, meaning it really had more like 3 years of model runs before the LCI.
Perhaps BMW will accelerate the 4 series LCI to 2017, but I think it was confirmed it wasn't until 2018.
Have a look over here (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...99&postcount=1):
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F30 LCI SOP 07/15 EOP 10/18:
- 320i, RWD and xDrive, N20B20M0 - confirmed http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153
- 328i, RWD and xDrive, N20B20O0 and N26B20O0, EOP 06/16 - confirmed http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153
- 330i, RWD and xDrive, B46B20O0, SOP 07/16 (replaces 328i)
- 340i, RWD and xDrive, B58B30M0 replaces 335i - confirmed http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153
- 328d, RWD and xDrive, N47D20O1 - confirmed http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153
- 328e (or possibly 330e) RWD, XB1141M0 SOP 11/15 replaces 335iH - confirmed http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153

F31 - same as the corresponding F30 models, but with EOP 06/19.

F32 (not LCI, only new engines; LCI date unknown) EOP 06/20:
- 440i SOP 03/16
- 430i B46B20O0 SOP 07/16

[...]

F80 LCI:
- M3 will be refreshed simultaneously with the regular 3 series. No major changes, likely to affect only some interior bits and headlights/taillights. - confirmed http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153

F87 SOP 11/15:
- BMW M2, N55B30T0, manual and auto

[...]

M4 GTS (the fact that it exists is all I know.)
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F32/f82 most likely won't get a lci till model year 2018, it came out my 2014 pre lci runs 4 model years lci runs 3.
Yes, I think you are correct. I was a little buzzed when I first posted.

2017 is when 4 series gets the 430 and 440, 2018 is when it gets LCI.

Although, the 2012 F30 was a very short production year, meaning it really had more like 3 years of model runs before the LCI.

Perhaps BMW will accelerate the 4 series LCI to 2017, but I think it was confirmed it wasn't until 2018.
Being buzzed will do that to you lol have a drink for me, if history holds true then the 4 series will get a lci in 2018. I agree that 2012 f30 was a short model year but I also think the 2006 e90 was short as well I could be wrong on that one. Ether way I'm looking forward to these new models even tho I miss the simple days.
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The M2CSL will have my full attention though.
Me too! I want to see competition for the Cayman GT4 for under 70grand.
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The GTS is a fart in the wind if it does not come to North America.
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Yes,
are the GTS coming to US this time?
they would have to increase production by much if you want the US market to receive the GTS..
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The M2CSL will have my full attention though.
Me too! I want to see competition for the Cayman GT4 for under 70grand.
That's asking a lot. GT4 is based on a lighter, more nimble platform, borrows its front suspension from the GT3 (for which there is no BMW equivalent) and starts at $85k.

If BMW could create a car that was nearly as responsive, light and fast (around a track) as a Cayman S for $60k, I'd be thrilled.
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That's asking a lot. GT4 is based on a lighter, more nimble platform, borrows its front suspension from the GT3 (for which there is no BMW equivalent) and starts at $85k.

If BMW could create a car that was nearly as responsive, light and fast (around a track) as a Cayman S for $60k, I'd be thrilled.
As light as Cayman S? 0 chance. Everything else, I certainly hope so!
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That's asking a lot. GT4 is based on a lighter, more nimble platform, borrows its front suspension from the GT3 (for which there is no BMW equivalent) and starts at $85k.

If BMW could create a car that was nearly as responsive, light and fast (around a track) as a Cayman S for $60k, I'd be thrilled.
As light as Cayman S? 0 chance. Everything else, I certainly hope so!
Fair enough, "nearly" is probably too optimistic.
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That's asking a lot. GT4 is based on a lighter, more nimble platform, borrows its front suspension from the GT3 (for which there is no BMW equivalent) and starts at $85k.

If BMW could create a car that was nearly as responsive, light and fast (around a track) as a Cayman S for $60k, I'd be thrilled.
Well, jokes aside, the F80 laps the Ring in 7:50 on PSS tires

The GT4 does it in 7:40 on PSC2 tires

Want to bet that the F80 would match that time on the same tires?

Not that I have any special love for the F80, but as far as "speed" is concerned it is friggin quick. The GT4 is a million times more pure due to manual, NA, light weight, etc, but that does not translate into a faster lap time.

The real question is "can BMW build a car that is as satisfying to drive as a GT4?"
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The GTS is a fart in the wind if it does not come to North America.
This. Bring it to the States. The US buys around 50% of the Ms anyway
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That's asking a lot. GT4 is based on a lighter, more nimble platform, borrows its front suspension from the GT3 (for which there is no BMW equivalent) and starts at $85k.

If BMW could create a car that was nearly as responsive, light and fast (around a track) as a Cayman S for $60k, I'd be thrilled.
Well, jokes aside, the F80 laps the Ring in 7:50 on PSS tires

The GT4 does it in 7:40 on PSC2 tires

Want to bet that the F80 would match that time on the same tires?

Not that I have any special love for the F80, but as far as "speed" is concerned it is friggin quick. The GT4 is a million times more pure due to manual, NA, light weight, etc, but that does not translate into a faster lap time.

The real question is "can BMW build a car that is as satisfying to drive as a GT4?"
Bingo

GTR laps in just over 7...but much like whatever driverless car eventually starts lapping at a reliable 6.xx... I couldn't be less interested in owning one.
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Bingo

GTR laps in just over 7...but much like whatever driverless car eventually starts lapping at a reliable 6.xx... I couldn't be less interested in owning one.
Agree!
BMW imho should position the M2 CSL clearly below the GT4 - at least price wise.
If it's possible to deliver something which separates it from a regular M2, by
  • more aggressive suspension setup
  • weight reduction between 50 and 100kg
  • power update slightly above 400hp
  • bucket seats
I think it should be possible within a price increase in the range of 10 to 15k... and I suspect such an M2CSL would not be that much slower than a GT4.
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Agree!
BMW imho should position the M2 CSL clearly below the GT4 - at least price wise.
If it's possible to deliver something which separates it from a regular M2, by
  • more aggressive suspension setup
  • weight reduction between 50 and 100kg
  • power update slightly above 400hp
  • bucket seats
I think it should be possible within a price increase in the range of 10 to 15k... and I suspect such an M2CSL would not be that much slower than a GT4.
I think if we are very lucky we will get a M4 GTS/CSL, definitely not a M2 GTS/CSL.
BMW's baby is the M3/4, much like Porsche's is the 911.

Here's to hoping they build a extreme M4 and it's brought to the States
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Agree!
BMW imho should position the M2 CSL clearly below the GT4 - at least price wise.
If it's possible to deliver something which separates it from a regular M2, by
  • more aggressive suspension setup
  • weight reduction between 50 and 100kg
  • power update slightly above 400hp
  • bucket seats
I think it should be possible within a price increase in the range of 10 to 15k... and I suspect such an M2CSL would not be that much slower than a GT4.
I think if we are very lucky we will get a M4 GTS/CSL, definitely not a M2 GTS/CSL.
BMW's baby is the M3/4, much like Porsche's is the 911.

Here's to hoping they build a extreme M4 and it's brought to the States
By that logic the GT4 wouldn't exist.
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By that logic the GT4 wouldn't exist.
Two completely different companies with very different philosophies

Porsche builds 600 GT3 RS 4.0s and exports it to the US. BMW builds 2000 CSLs and says 'it's too expensive' to certify that engine in the US

Porsche keeps NA engines in its GT models because it is -evidently- more pure and the way motorsport engines are supposed to be. It will turbocharge all its run of the mill models because Joe Six Pack does not know any better, but keep it's GT cars NA.

If you look at a 911, you have the 911, then the 911S, then the 911S power pack, then the GT3, then the GT3 RS, etc etc etc. 6 levels of one car.
BMW builds the M3 and the time they make a 'GTS', which would be the equivalent of a GT3, they don't bring it over here because it's too expensive.

Porsche GT clearly enjoys a much higher degree of freedom than BMW M.

As I said earlier, if we are very lucky BMW will bring the M4 GTS to the States. Even so, do not expect GT3 numbers. They are capable as they showed in the past, but BMW's vision is 'connected drive' and other BS that has nothing to do with 'the ultimate driving machine'. Porsche refuses to abandon their roots and apparently is even capable of turning a piece of junk Q5 platform into a Macan, a pretty decent SUV.


Time will prove one of us wrong, but mark my words.

[For the record, I am a massive BMW fan, but I call it as I see it]
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