[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

$52-53k base, hellooooo BMW again. $55k base, hellooooo CLA45. Depending on how BMW plans on positioning the M2, logic dictates it shouldn't be so much more than the CLA45. At $53k it's already $4k more than the Merc.

You're M235i traps 1 mph slower than the CLA45 and grips just as well. You'd be making a lateral move, not a step up. Plus, assuming you have the ZF8, your tranny is better than the MCT in the MB.

[PackPride85]

If this starts at 55k I'd take a serious look at an M3 ED or even a slightly used M3.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Bemo

You've got nothing to lose. I wish we can get the M3 goodies, such as the somewhat-bespoke engine, better cooling and light weight components into the M2 but it's not going to happen for a reasonable price.

Maybe we should lease and wait for the G generation before getting into a long-term ownership gig

I don't think I have that kind of patience haha. These are kind of my golden years of being a bachelor and not having to worry kids. By the time the gen 2 M2's come out, who knows what I'll be driving.

I know it's going to sound odd, but if they had an M3 Touring, there would be 0 arguments. I'd get rid of all 3 of my cars for that haha and call it a day (until I can finally afford a 997 GT3 or a Cayman GT4).

I still have high hopes for this M2 though. If I play my cards right, I expect it to be in the high 40s when everything is said and done.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

You're M235i traps 1 mph slower than the CLA45 and grips just as well. You'd be making a lateral move, not a step up. Plus, assuming you have the ZF8, your tranny is better than the MCT in the MB.

Wow, did not know that. Thank you for the info! I wasn't going to jump into a Mercedes though. If anything I would stick with my M235i or maybe an M3 (don't like the bigger size). We'll see when the time comes. I was just saying for many people the CLA45 is a good alternative if the M2 ends up costing too much (but too much is relative).

[J\\\Wright]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

If this starts at 55k I'd take a serious look at an M3 ED or even a slightly used M3.

This... It's going to have to be pretty special to encroach into the mid to high $50s and still be a consideration for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm still 100% on board, but I have to be realistic with what that amount of cash can buy in the used (M3/M4) market.

[buumer]

I'd rather it be more expensive, to separate it from the m235. I think 55k is probably the bottom edge of what it needs to cost to "stand out". Otherwise I'd probably keep the 235 and call it a day.

That isn't to say that I want to throw money at BMW, but I simply want the car to have more development that goes beyond the plain performance parts( a la diff and some trim pieces).

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by J\\\Wright

This... It's going to have to be pretty special to encroach into the mid to high $50s and still be a consideration for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm still 100% on board, but I have to be realistic with what that amount of cash can buy in the used (M3/M4) market.

+1

Once you load it up with 'necessary' options and it ends up over $60k or the starting price of big brother, then once has to ask why am I buying this over the m4? Especially if it ends up with a tuned 335 engine, no carbon fiber roof, doesnt come in significantly lighter than the bigger m4, may not have all the luxury features (will it end up with dakota leather?).

I was hoping/being delusional that it would basically be a similar step up from the m235 that the 335 to the m3 is. Better interior, quite a bit lighter, far more powerful, etc. My wish list included dropping 200lbs from the m235, nicer leather interior, cf roof, and a slightly detuned version of the M4 engine coming in at 400hp nicely equipped in the low $60k range.

A guy can dream. Take off most of that weight savings, give me a tuned N55 and the same leather that's in my F30 335, then I'm having a hard time justifying the M2 from a price perspective. One could pick up a similarly equipped/more powerful M3 for <$10k more. Or fully load up a C7 Vette and get supplier discount for $66k.

[technik330]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

You're M235i traps 1 mph slower than the CLA45 and grips just as well. You'd be making a lateral move, not a step up. Plus, assuming you have the ZF8, your tranny is better than the MCT in the MB.

I'd say 'lateral move' is a bit subjective as there's a meaningful difference in quality, especially with regards to the interior (235i comparison, for now), that left me feeling like BMW is a bit lacking (subjective, I know).

Granted the CLA45 is a turbo 4, to the M2's TT inline 6, it's still comprised of all forged internals, whereas the M2 will most likely received a forged crank and rods.

Personally, I like balance. I want a car that'll put a smile on my face when I hit the gas, but also be able to put the power down and handle properly. I mean if we just want to smoke tires, we're looking at the wrong car - because GT350.

Again, if the M2 doesn't do everything better than both the M235i and the CLA45, what then would it really be?

[Adem1534]

People seem to be forgetting: This isn't an S engine.

It's a tune N55. Carbon fiber roof and hood is doubted at this point. Weight cut from M235i will not be substantial.

The ///M235i is above what an "is" used to be. The M235i is a bridge to the M2... and the shore line isn't that far away.

Meaning: The M2 will not be a huge step up from the M235i. But it will be where in specific areas that will make a significant difference without the price flying upwards.

M235i again, was a bridge M car. Closer than most think to the M2, I believe.

I'm stickin' at 52k base.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

People seem to be forgetting: This isn't an S engine.

It's a tune N55. Carbon fiber roof and hood is doubted at this point. Weight cut from M235i will not be substantial.

The ///M235i is above what an "is" used to be. The M235i is a bridge to the M2... and the shore line isn't that far away.

Meaning: The M2 will not be a huge step up from the M235i. But it will be where in specific areas that will make a significant difference without the price flying upwards.

M235i again, was a bridge M car. Closer than most think to the M2, I believe.

I'm stickin' at 52k base.

Couldn't have said any better than you. The M2 will be "just" an M235i with a bit more power, better brakes and suspension, and in a more aggressive track suit. That's pretty much all.

I'm cool with that though

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by buumer

I'd rather it be more expensive, to separate it from the m235. I think 55k is probably the bottom edge of what it needs to cost to "stand out". Otherwise I'd probably keep the 235 and call it a day.

Nice try BMW marketing guy.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

Couldn't have said any better than you. The M2 will be "just" an M235i with a bit more power, better brakes and suspension, and in a more aggressive track suit. That's pretty much all.

I'm cool with that though

Haha I'm cool with that too.

In other news... it seems that the M2 mule in this picture is not braking, yet the LED bar below the larger one that is more apparent is on.

Could this be a revised rear tail light? Making both the large L bar and smaller bar BOTH DRLs rather than just the top one?

They are BOTH on in every picture... maybe because the headlights are on?



It would make the rear look x1000 times better IMO.

[J\\\Wright]

^Sure he's not braking? The third brake light in the rear glass appears to be on. Wish it was as you saw it though... Looked good.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by J\\\Wright

^Sure he's not braking? The third brake light in the rear glass appears to be on. Wish it was as you saw it though... Looked good.

Great spot. He must have been.

Damn, really wish the rear DRLs looked like that always.

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

People seem to be forgetting: This isn't an S engine.

It's a tune N55. Carbon fiber roof and hood is doubted at this point. Weight cut from M235i will not be substantial.

Agreed. The weight-loss is being exaggerated and people with high hopes will be let down. I'm sure BMW won't be allocating costly resources to find ways to make a 2 series lighter when it has to be priced to sell for only a niche market.

The idea of a tuned N55 in the M2 isn't helping its case either. In my opinion, if I were spending this much I would just spend a little extra and get an M3/4 with a sophisticated M engine.

The ONLY reason I would consider buying this is for a drastic weight reduction. But if that isn't even in the cards then why not get the M3/4?

[W///]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

Agreed. The weight-loss is being exaggerated and people with high hopes will be let down. I'm sure BMW won't be allocating costly resources to find ways to make a 2 series lighter when it has to be priced to sell for only a niche market.

The idea of a tuned N55 in the M2 isn't helping its case either. In my opinion, if I were spending this much I would just spend a little extra and get an M3/4 with a sophisticated M engine.

The ONLY reason I would consider buying this is for a drastic weight reduction. But if that isn't even in the cards then why not get the M3/4?

Nope, that's def not the only reason. For me, it's the perfect size of the 2 series. That's the one thing that the M3 cannot touch and it's a big deal for me.

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by W///

Nope, that's def not the only reason. For me, it's the perfect size of the 2 series. That's the one thing that the M3 cannot touch and it's a big deal for me.

You must mean size as in proportions, b/c weight would be negligibly different.

That's understandable too though.

[abp689]

Doubt I would move up to the M3/4 even if the M2 is close in price. I am sure the 3 is a great car, but I have zero interest in it.

With the M2 starting at $55, the Cayman is starting to look like a nice option.

[Mark's M]

Originally Posted by W///

Nope, that's def not the only reason. For me, it's the perfect size of the 2 series. That's the one thing that the M3 cannot touch and it's a big deal for me.

This! And as far as pricing goes, for me and other CDN buyers anyways, the differential between M2 and M4 won't be as easy to swallow. I've pointed out our CDN pricing before but I'll do it again to elicit sympathy from you guys.

A fully (and I mean fully) loaded M235 here is $61k CDN. For comparison's sake, the same fully loaded U.S. car is about $55k USD.

In Canada, a fully loaded M4 (which includes a few things unavailable on the M235 but desirable...to me, ie HUD) is $95k CDN. A $30k difference. I like my cars with all the comfort & fun stuff so I wouldn't last 2 minutes in a stripper M4 which lists for $75k CDN.

So my M2 won't be a stripper and I believe it'll come in at $70 CDN, hell maybe even $75 ish depending on what BMW makes available for it. It'll have to. No way will BMW leave the price differential between a comparably (ie fully) optioned M235 and an M2 at $5k. Just my thoughts. Hoping it'll be less of course but I doubt it.

[Delnari]

Looks like a case of paying more for less. Even with the proposed changes of the M2 over the M235i, it looks like a premium sports car that will stay within a couple seconds of the M4 on the racetrack. As the article stated, the M3/M4 are huge now compared to the original, and the M2 will be the closest BMW car to the original 2002 drivers car. With some modifications to the drive-line and not so many suspension tweaks you will a better performance car over the stock M3/M4 sibling.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Mark's M

This! And as far as pricing goes, for me and other CDN buyers anyways, the differential between M2 and M4 won't be as easy to swallow. I've pointed out our CDN pricing before but I'll do it again to elicit sympathy from you guys.

A fully (and I mean fully) loaded M235 here is $65k CDN. For comparison's sake, the same fully loaded U.S. car is about $60k USD.

In Canada, a fully loaded M4 (which includes a few things unavailable on the M235 but desirable...to me, ie HUD) is $95k CDN. A $30k difference. I like my cars with all the comfort & fun stuff so I wouldn't last 2 minutes in a stripper M4 which lists for $75k CDN.

So my M2 won't be a stripper and I believe it'll come in at $72-73k CDN, hell maybe even $75 ish depending on what BMW makes available for it. It'll have to. No way will BMW leave the price differential between a comparably (ie fully) optioned M235 and an M2 at $5k. Just my thoughts. Hoping it'll be less of course but I doubt it.

Wouldn't you have to add the M Performace Edition to the price of the M235i to get up to a price of $65k CDN for a fully loaded M235i in Canada?

[W///]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

You must mean size as in proportions, b/c weight would be negligibly different.

That's understandable too though.

Correct. The M3 is still on my list, but it's just too big to be a car for just me, and too small to be practical (2 big dogs)

Originally Posted by abp689

Doubt I would move up to the M3/4 even if the M2 is close in price. I am sure the 3 is a great car, but I have zero interest in it.

With the M2 starting at $55, the Cayman is starting to look like a nice option.

While some people while def jump at a base Cayman, I probably wouldn't. A Cayman S would be the minimum for me. After driving an M235i (8AT), the Cayman S I drove right after felt a little slow to me in every day driving situation due to the torque of the N55. It did sound ridiculously good with their performance exhaust though. I just couldn't stomach the $85k price tag