[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by crbalch

I ordered my 2012 135i RWD as a 6MT, no nav, and it ended up being one of my biggest regrets. I ordered that car when I lived in CT, so it was great during that time. I moved to Chicago soon thereafter, and that's when the regret started setting in. 6MT in Chicago is nearly impossible. After being in other BMWs with Nav, I started regretting not having an all in one solution. RWD with winter tires was still a pain in the ass to deal with. So I didn't make the same mistake with my M235, except for practicality. The stage I'm at in life requires practicality (*******, so that's kind of where my head is at.

That's exactly why I have M240 xdrive.
I'm even getting decent gas mileage. (22~23 mpg)

I had 2012 Acura TL AWD and it was only 16~17 mpg on the same commute.

[amw896]

in canada, you can get an m4 for the same price. I would definitely grab the m4.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by amw896

in canada, you can get an m4 for the same price. I would definitely grab the m4.

Coupe, RWD, worse mpg than my M235...basically the total opposite of what I need haha

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by TajoMan

That's exactly why I have M240 xdrive.
I'm even getting decent gas mileage. (22~23 mpg)

I had 2012 Acura TL AWD and it was only 16~17 mpg on the same commute.

Yeah my M235 is Xdrive and auto, but I have avg 17.9 mpg over my 18k miles. Pretty terrible. Granted its FBO/tuned, but the Model 3 Performance will be quicker and cost way less to "fill up". Long road trips we will use the X1.

[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Yeah my M235 is Xdrive and auto, but I have avg 17.9 mpg over my 18k miles. Pretty terrible. Granted its FBO/tuned, but the Model 3 Performance will be quicker and cost way less to "fill up". Long road trips we will use the X1.

I paid 49k for my car and I spend about $2k/yr for gas.
For 5 yr, that's about 60k. (less than model 3 performance w/ tax credit)

I don't have any issue with ppl buying Tesla.
What I don't understand is why most of them trying to justify based on cost.
It's not a cheap car to buy even with 'free' fill ups.

Again, I will very much get into electric car if there is 'truly affordable (and does not look stupid, i.e. Leaf)' one. So far, there is non.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Why do I need an electronic glove box?
You don't, but who cares / even uses that on a regular basis?

I do. I keep important information inside, and sometime my personal belongings.

Originally Posted by crbalch

Or Electronic Door handles?
Have you tried them? Again, not a big deal at all. I like them better than the double pull lever of my M235 thats for sure. Manual latch in case anything goes wrong.

On the interior AND exterior?
So one more failure prone item on a car that's already built like shit, but I'm nitpicking.

Originally Posted by crbalch

Why can I adjust the radio or A/C by feel?
You can adjust the radio by feel and change songs using the left scroll wheel. AC can be adjusted temperature wise by swiping left and right. AC will be set to auto like my M235 for temp. Regarding vent control, the Model 3 is vastly superior

You got anything else?

Superior on the basis of what? I can adjust the AC by turning a knob, and my passenger can too - without the need to shift through a menu on a screen that provides vital information.

And while we are on the garbage screen that looks like a Imac placed on a dash, what happens if it fails?


Yeah guy - EVERYONE else in the automotive industry and EVERY car driver is wrong BUT Tesla.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by TajoMan

I paid 49k for my car and I spend about $2k/yr for gas.
For 5 yr, that's about 60k. (less than model 3 performance w/ tax credit)

I don't have any issue with ppl buying Tesla.
What I don't understand is why most of them trying to justify based on cost.
It's not a cheap car to buy even with 'free' fill ups.

Again, I will very much get into electric car if there is 'truly affordable (and does not look stupid, i.e. Leaf)' one. So far, there is non.

Compared to an M3 or M4, which I've already mentioned would be my next logical move, it is cheaper.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by Taskmaster

I do. I keep important information inside, and sometime my personal belongings.

On the interior AND exterior?
So one more failure prone item on a car that's already built like shit, but I'm nitpicking.

Superior on the basis of what? I can adjust the AC by turning a knob, and my passenger can too - without the need to shift through a menu on a screen that provides vital information.

And while we are on the garbage screen that looks like a Imac placed on a dash, what happens if it fails?

Yeah guy - EVERYONE else in the automotive industry and EVERY car driver is wrong BUT Tesla.

Electronic glovebox is the non-starter, got it.

Don't understand your question on the doors. There are non-electric handles on the outside, and on the inside they are electric. Failure prone based on your factual evidence, got it.

AC controls superior based on my testing of both? Temperature is controlled by sliding your finger left and right. That's no different then a knob. Regarding airflow, try to get your car to point AC directly on your face and you will sit and fumble with the vents constantly, only to eventually give up. The Tesla you can visualize exactly where the airflow is going, and make the adjustment in seconds. Superior in my opinion.

Have heard of zero issues with a dash failing, but if it does, get it fixed? Thats what a warranty is for. If you hate the look thats fine, but its no different than an iDrive screen going out on your car.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Why do I need an electronic glove box?
You don't, but who cares / even uses that on a regular basis?

Or Electronic Door handles?
Have you tried them? Again, not a big deal at all. I like them better than the double pull lever of my M235 thats for sure. Manual latch in case anything goes wrong.

Why can I adjust the radio or A/C by feel?
You can adjust the radio by feel and change songs using the left scroll wheel. AC can be adjusted temperature wise by swiping left and right. AC will be set to auto like my M235 for temp. Regarding vent control, the Model 3 is vastly superior

You got anything else?

Originally Posted by crbalch

Electronic glovebox is the non-starter, got it.

Don't understand your question on the doors. There are non-electric handles on the outside, and on the inside they are electric. Failure prone based on your factual evidence, got it.

AC controls superior based on my testing of both? Temperature is controlled by sliding your finger left and right. That's no different then a knob. Regarding airflow, try to get your car to point AC directly on your face and you will sit and fumble with the vents constantly, only to eventually give up. The Tesla you can visualize exactly where the airflow is going, and make the adjustment in seconds. Superior in my opinion.

Have heard of zero issues with a dash failing, but if it does, get it fixed? Thats what a warranty is for. If you hate the look thats fine, but its no different than an iDrive screen going out on your car.

So you don't target some vents on one direction, and others to another point? Got it.

Screen doesn't fail?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...reported.html/

Have fun with a bricked car. At least I can still tell the speed and DRIVE MY CAR if Idrive ever fails.

I'm sorry I've ever even entered this thread, I knew exactly what type of person you were and what type of thread this would be.

[Maynard]

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by Maynard

This "troll" has helped this community out far more than you have

[snaketh]

Originally Posted by crbalch

This "troll" has helped this community out far more than you have

Go to a Tesla forum and rant and rave at the users for not patting you on the back for buying an M2C. The users there would be far less accommodating than the people on this forum have been.

It's getting tiresome. You're buying a car that is the polar opposite of an M2 with MT. How'd you expect people here who own this type of car to provide confirmation/justification for your purchase? Maybe the 3 series guys would be more your target audience but the 2er is a drivers car.

Enjoy the E wagon. Eventually non of us will have a choice but to drive a smartphone on wheels. Sign up for a Tesla Forum too, they will love you.

[aerobod]

I’ll be quite happy to have an electric autonomous car rapidly and silently whisk me to my own funeral. Until then something that is visceral to drive or be driven in is what I want, even if I’m too senile to drive myself, I can always rely on my son to take me on auto-x or track laps while I drool away.

As my son’s friend who is an ATC controller at the Calgary airport said to him last year: “I heard your dad come through the tunnel in his car on his way to work again today”. Motoring is about fun to me.

[babaikram]

The problem with current electric cars is that they are overpriced compared to the same class of ICE vehicles. Thus one has paid upfront for the cheap electric costs whilst driving basic almost soul less vehicles. Eg Nissan leaf (electric car) price starts from £26,000 (after deducting govt grants) whilst a similar small SUV from the same company Nissan juke starts from £15,505. Basically paying extra £10,000 upfront for driving an electric vehicle which nobody wants to own after 5 years because of battery replacement cost.

I am not going to buy electric vehicles until their prices reflect the quality of the vehicles

[PeterWT]

All of the electric vs. combustion and digital vs. analog aside.

I reject the notion that having kids means you have to trade your 2DR sports coupe for a 4DR SUV/SAV/MPV...
I have always had 2DR cars. Before and after my daughter arrived. She's almost 18 now and has an E46 330Ci ZHP coupe.
We've survived just fine.

Kids = >2DRs? Bullshit!

Enjoy your Model 3! I think it's a very interesting car. It just has too many doors. ;-)

[kivyee]

Originally Posted by PeterWT

All of the electric vs. combustion and digital vs. analog aside.

I reject the notion that having kids means you have to trade your 2DR sports coupe for a 4DR SUV/SAV/MPV...
I have always had 2DR cars. Before and after my daughter arrived. She's almost 18 now and has an E46 330Ci ZHP coupe.
We've survived just fine.

Kids = >2DRs? Bullshit!

Enjoy your Model 3! I think it's a very interesting car. It just has too many doors. ;-)

Key letter here is kids. Two door works ok w one kid. I'd like to see 3 kids in the back of a 2. Not to mention road trips, strollers, bikes yada yada...

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by kivyee

Key letter here is kids. Two door works ok w one kid. I'd like to see 3 kids in the back of a 2. Not to mention road trips, strollers, bikes yada yada...

My dad had a E21 320is back in the day that got us around just fine (and my mom had a Volvo Wagon/Acura Legend during that time) Pretending a 2 door makes it impossible to carry a family around is outright silly.

[kivyee]

Originally Posted by Taskmaster

My dad had a E21 320is back in the day that got us around just fine (and my mom had a Volvo Wagon/Acura Legend during that time) Pretending a 2 door makes it impossible to carry a family around is outright silly.

Where did I say it was impossible? Again, "I'd like to see 3 kids in the back of a 2. Not to mention road trips, strollers, bikes yada yada..." Specifically the 2...

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by kivyee

Where did I say it was impossible? Again, "I'd like to see 3 kids in the back of a 2. Not to mention road trips, strollers, bikes yada yada..." Specifically the 2...

Thank you, was going to say this exact same thing. 4 doors is just easier for everything.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by crbalch

4 doors is just easier for everything.

Sliding doors and a hatch even better - by extension a minivan is the best vehicle to buy for the easiest motoring experience, lots of space for those who find 2 doors with only 4 seats and a small trunk too confining.

I suppose for the most fun and least practicality I take my zero-door 2-seat car, a bit of fun and some high-speed touring the 2-door 4-seat car, shopping the 4-door 5-seat car with a hatch.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by kivyee

Where did I say it was impossible? Again, "I'd like to see 3 kids in the back of a 2. Not to mention road trips, strollers, bikes yada yada..." Specifically the 2...

Originally Posted by crbalch

Thank you, was going to say this exact same thing. 4 doors is just easier for everything.

Sounds like contrived BS to me. OP doesn't even have kids yet, much less 3.

Look, there are plenty of reasons to buy a Model 3 (I guess...) But the contrived BS you're making up aren't valid ones.

Save gas? Over what? Over what period of time?
Carry a family? What family? Does having 2 extra doors really change that much?
It doesn't offer more quality than cars in it's price range
It doesn't save money over MOST ICE cars
It's poorly designed
Outside of accelerating from a standstill, it's acceleration isn't that impressive.
It's ugly inside and out (subjective, I know)
It doesn't have the range of ICE cars
It requires the driver to adapt to the vehicle instead of the other way around (But muh 30 minute wait at supercharger stations)

It really doesn't offer much outside of a fully electric drive train- wait a year and Porsche will be offering a car that exceeds Model S specs for a lower cost. Oh, and it's a Porsche (a drivers car brand) and not some overhyped, poorly thought out Tech brand that sells cars to clueless consumers.

[Zwei]

^^ Yup.