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      06-19-2013, 01:56 PM   #23
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Does anyone have a render of what the regular 228i will look like? Also, would the 228i M sport look like the M235i?
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      06-19-2013, 02:17 PM   #24
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Jason, my spidey senses tell me that your chart shows no available manual for the US? Hopefully that's just early info, right? If I need to drive to New Jersey and rough up some execs, I'd like to start planning that now.
Yep, as the chart states: "* Note: the list may not be comprehensive or up-to-date and info has not been verified by BMW."

Those were just the specs/configurations which turned up in a VIN search, which is not comprehensive of all possible configurations and options we'll see.
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      06-19-2013, 02:28 PM   #25
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Yep, as the chart states: "* Note: the list may not be comprehensive or up-to-date and info has not been verified by BMW."

Those were just the specs/configurations which turned up in a VIN search, which is not comprehensive of all possible configurations and options we'll see.
Thanks, I sort of assumed that, but with the recent, seemingly arbitrary choices of what we can get in this country with a manual, I wasn't sure if someone had just decided to stiff us.
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      06-19-2013, 06:34 PM   #26
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So does that mean there's not going to be just a normal 235? It's just going to go straight to the M235? If so, what's going to be so special about the M235 if it's the only other option than the 228. Seems like an Audi-esq move if you ask me. Bigger engine choice on the same car comes with an "S" badge ("M" in our case)
You hit the nail on the head
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Basically the 3 series is reborn the way it should be.
YES, that's what I say as well.
And that's a GREAT thing!

Looks like I may do an early 2.5yr lease end instead of waiting the full 3yrs.
Hopefully BMW will have some incentives to make it palatable financially.
If not I'll continue with my 335i Msport. It's fun-ish to drive, but not as much as my '09 135i or '03 325i sport.
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So does that mean there's not going to be just a normal 235? It's just going to go straight to the M235? If so, what's going to be so special about the M235 if it's the only other option than the 228. Seems like an Audi-esq move if you ask me. Bigger engine choice on the same car comes with an "S" badge ("M" in our case)
That is odd isn't it?
My take on that is that the M235i is simply a 235i with an "M sport" package, which has become de rigueur at BMW.
It's not an M, it's just an M-sport pkg.

Why?
I think it's because of the new N20 4cyl turbo and how great of an engine it is.
The 128i had the sweet legendary BMW NA inline 6, but it was clearly overshadowed by the 135i's N54 and then N55.
With the 228i, and it's lighter weight, that coupe will perform quite admirably.
So to greater differentiate the 235i version BMW will only bring it as an
M-sport with bumped HP/torque over the standard N55, like the one in my 335i Msport.

Oddly, I wonder why BMW didn't also give the 435i more stock power?
If the M235i does come with 315-320hp, it will have a better power to weight over the 435i.
If so, the 2 series will become the more favorable drivers coupe, and the 4 the more luxury coupe.
Then, the 2 series sedan will be the return of the "3 series sport sedan".
That's of course, IMO.
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      06-19-2013, 11:37 PM   #29
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To me, the 1 series coupe was not as pretty or elegant as the 3 series. I never viewed it as an alternative

But I think this new 2 is stunning. We will have to wait for final pics, but I will at least consider it instead of the 4.
I guess I was just a generation ahead of you, I really disliked the size, weight and style of the E92 and bought an E82 instead. I like the F32 more than the E92, but it's no smaller, so will likely consider the F22 instead, or wait for the 2er GC, as I'd prefer a full set of doors this time around.
Naturally, tastes change over time. I started with an e46 M3, then e92 M3, and now will to look into 228 or 428 with M sport...
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i have a feeling - 128, 228, 328, 428 are just a different boxes filled by the simular mechanical parts. How is it different from the audi's "making sausages of different lengths"
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Cant wait to see the m2. But whats with all the boring rear bumpers of the new models?? Its too square and bland. Even the e90 msport rear looks so beefy.
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Jason, my spidey senses tell me that your chart shows no available manual for the US? Hopefully that's just early info, right? If I need to drive to New Jersey and rough up some execs, I'd like to start planning that now.
HA! i was thinking same thing... debating M235i vs. 435i (sport or M-sport) ... I love the face on this 2-series... but if no 6-speed manual... no dice
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That is odd isn't it?
My take on that is that the M235i is simply a 235i with an "M sport" package, which has become de rigueur at BMW.
It's not an M, it's just an M-sport pkg.

Why?
I think it's because of the new N20 4cyl turbo and how great of an engine it is.
The 128i had the sweet legendary BMW NA inline 6, but it was clearly overshadowed by the 135i's N54 and then N55.
With the 228i, and it's lighter weight, that coupe will perform quite admirably.
So to greater differentiate the 235i version BMW will only bring it as an
M-sport with bumped HP/torque over the standard N55, like the one in my 335i Msport.

Oddly, I wonder why BMW didn't also give the 435i more stock power?
If the M235i does come with 315-320hp, it will have a better power to weight over the 435i.
If so, the 2 series will become the more favorable drivers coupe, and the 4 the more luxury coupe.
Then, the 2 series sedan will be the return of the "3 series sport sedan".
That's of course, IMO.

..well said... the whole move seems to follow your thinking. 1-2 the size of previous 3-(4).. power/weight . In the aesthetic realm The 2-series still lacks the fusiform elegance of the 4-series in photos... need to see in flesh
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