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I like the shorter-throw and less rubbery feel of the newer M cars. It feels like they come with a SSK from the factory in comparison. Agreed on the clutch too. They are a little lighter than the e36 one. I'm expecting the M2 manual to be just as good as any of the latter M's. |
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05-30-2015, 08:37 PM | #90 | |
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The one on the M2 will be good since it should be the same as the one from the M3/4 I would assume.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question but from the driver's perspective what is the difference between a DCT and the current 8AT with paddles? Not asking about the engineering and internal mechanics. I mean what does the DCT do that the AT doesn't. I have zero experience with either.
Someone posted about the DCT being able to drop down multiple gears at once instead of multiple pulls of the paddle. Is that true?
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06-01-2015, 11:12 AM | #93 | |
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Yes, DCT has kickdown. Slam the gas pedal into the floor, downshift and it'll grab the lowest gear for optimal acceleration. |
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For me, this is a hard choice. Every single car I've owned, except my 2010 DCT 135, has been a manual. I do love shifting my own gears, and it remains one of the most fun aspects of driving. It's also the "free" option, which is nice.
With that being said, the DCT in the F82 that I test drove was very impressive, with the shifts being very fast (and almost brutal, in a good way). It also sounded really nice on decel, and can be turned up or down in character depending on what kind of mood you're in. That's the really nice part... I am also in more traffic these days than I used to be, and it does get tiresome to have to mess with the clutch if you aren't in the right window for light traffic going to or from work. It would be nice (yes, I know that's lazy) to let the car do it for me in those circumstances. But the DCT also costs $3000. That's a lot, and is money you could put towards other options or whatever. It will be a tough choice and my mind isn't made up yet.
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06-01-2015, 03:26 PM | #100 | |
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- Drove E92 M3 for the first time at the Performance Center with DCT. Loved it - Drove E92 M3 for an extended period when I was in Munich (1 full day) and loved it at first, but got bored of it after half a day. Mix of city traffic, driving in the Alps and Autobahn. - Drove E92 M3 in Munich again for 2 full days. Decided that mine will be a 6MT. Again, this is not a knock on DCT. I find it impressive for sure. But if I missed 6MT within a couple of hours, then I know I will regret it within a couple of months/years for sure. Food for thought
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06-01-2015, 03:31 PM | #101 | |
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8AT Automatic box can shift with paddles Fast and very smooth Kicks down 1-2 gears I experienced Will shift to protect the engine Creeps I.e car rolls without the gas pedal being depress You didn't want this to to my knowledge this is a ZF engineered torque converter box and with pretty much any BMW engine one of the best power train combos out there DCT Can shift auto it paddles Very fast and can be smooth or punchy, there are 3 settings of shift speed I think can kick down to the lowest possible gear within engine revs Does not creep like a torque converter box, this is odd at first, there is a low speed assist mode that's a bit awkward to engage but does constant 2mph Essentially more of a 2 manual boxes joined together gearbox Hope this helps, sorry if text is messy on the phone at airport
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06-01-2015, 03:35 PM | #102 |
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No, you have to kickdown...push the accelerator down hard then downshift and it will select the lowest gear it can immediately. If you just down shift and hold, it'll only select the next lower gear. You can rapid fire down but it won't skip straight to the lowest optimal gear. I don't know if PDK is different.
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The new version in the M4 felt significantly more brutal however, and that was definitely enticing on a test drive. Decisions decisions. Quote:
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06-01-2015, 11:13 PM | #104 |
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Is there an automatic version without the flappy paddles?
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Nice to hear the DCT does not creep, I do like the thought. I haven a Cayman GTS PDK, it creeps, and that is about the only thing I don`t like about it, it is just fabolous ! I do als have the 1M, manual of course, also great fun. IMHO; The 6 speed is better on the turbo because of massive torque, the DCT will be better on the NA high revving engine. Anyhow; I can not chosse |
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06-02-2015, 12:45 AM | #106 |
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I still fine it mind boggling that my s2k in 1999 had and still has a superior 6mt than any m car. that is sad.
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Currently have a 335i MT and I hate it. Love the manual in my friend's S2k and my other friend's E92 M3. If the M2 feels the same as my current 335i MT, I'm going DCT
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PS - I am not crazy about the MT in my 235 either. It's not bad, but not great.
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06-02-2015, 02:29 PM | #109 |
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Go drive a 6MT M3/4 and you'll have your answer
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Absolutely, that's what I did. I think the f8x manual has better clutch feel/engagement and throws are better than the e9x...not to mention the cool tech rev matching which I liked. If one already likes the e9x manual it's a no brainer for the M2.
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