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      01-30-2014, 09:08 PM   #67
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Given the new nomenclature, won't the 1 series become a small sedan? In that case the 2GC is not a big loss.
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      01-30-2014, 09:11 PM   #68
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So what if the 2gc steal sales from the 3....money is going to the same account
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      01-30-2014, 09:12 PM   #69
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Given the new nomenclature, won't the 1 series become a small sedan? In that case the 2GC is not a big loss.
Except the new 1 will be fwd.
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      01-30-2014, 09:23 PM   #70
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all the reason they need right here



These two cars out going to out sell the 2-series by a mile, only because they have 4-doors. BMW is making a big mistake. The 320i is terrible.
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      01-30-2014, 09:25 PM   #71
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Given the new nomenclature, won't the 1 series become a small sedan? In that case the 2GC is not a big loss.
Except the new 1 will be fwd.
Ah... But so are the CLA and A3, so it makes sense given the competition. Imagine they'll be an AWD option too.
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      01-30-2014, 09:32 PM   #72
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I can only assume that they're talking about no 2-Series GC because of cost. The M235i is outrageously expensive. It starts at $43,100! That's $11,000 more than the 228i (typically, that gap is closer to $6000). Adding $300 to the M235i gets a 335i sedan, which starts at $43,400. We all know that the GC will cost more than the 2-Door coupe (the 6GC costs $2200 above a standard coupe). BMW hasn't left themselves any room to price the car reasonably between the 2er coupe and the 335 sedan. What person would pay more money for a smaller car? I think that's why they're saying the 2GC is DOA.

The numbers look much better when you're comparing a 228i and a 328i. There's definitely room for a 228i GC, a car inexpensive enough they could advertise it as starting in the low to mid thirties. Would they offer that without offering a 235 GC? I don't know. I think for those of us who would like a smaller BMW, we're going to have to hope they bring us a 1-Series sedan, even if it's FWD/XI. I imagine that's what it will take for BMW to offer a compact sedan in the correct price bracket. We're looking for an out-the-door price of mid to high thirties... which would be possible with a 228i GC.

Even if the hypothetical 1-Series sedan is FWD, I'll strongly consider buying it because I'm sure it will be available with a stick. CLA and A3 are both automatic only. Which is a damn shame, particularly in the case of the A3.
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      01-30-2014, 09:42 PM   #73
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That sucks. I really don't want to leave bmw but the new 3 is just too big. I was really hoping for a 4 door M2 or M235i.
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      01-30-2014, 09:48 PM   #74
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if people are really that concerned about the weight then read this and quit bitching

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/fiche4745-bmw-m235-i.htm

the verified weight is the same as a 135is 6 speed optioned out lightly. There is nothing to complain about the weight will help those of use who will be doing winter driving as well as the fact the the car is fast sporty and seems to do fairly well on a track, this isn't a DTM race or track car, if you want a pop can go buy a Honda or something
Nice find--BMW has said many times the E82 and F22 are roughly the same.

Once they are out in the wild and in hands like the folks on this forum, we will get a better idea of what it really is.
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I can only assume that they're talking about no 2-Series GC because of cost. The M235i is outrageously expensive. It starts at $43,100! That's $11,000 more than the 228i (typically, that gap is closer to $6000). Adding $300 to the M235i gets a 335i sedan, which starts at $43,400. We all know that the GC will cost more than the 2-Door coupe (the 6GC costs $2200 above a standard coupe). BMW hasn't left themselves any room to price the car reasonably between the 2er coupe and the 335 sedan. What person would pay more money for a smaller car? I think that's why they're saying the 2GC is DOA.

The numbers look much better when you're comparing a 228i and a 328i. There's definitely room for a 228i GC, a car inexpensive enough they could advertise it as starting in the low to mid thirties. Would they offer that without offering a 235 GC? I don't know. I think for those of us who would like a smaller BMW, we're going to have to hope they bring us a 1-Series sedan, even if it's FWD/XI. I imagine that's what it will take for BMW to offer a compact sedan in the correct price bracket. We're looking for an out-the-door price of mid to high thirties... which would be possible with a 228i GC.
Right, but that 335 sedan isn't an M performance model. Whether or not that is blasphemy or not, these two cars have different purposes, or they should at least. The M235 has some of that M magic, so a 335is sedan would be a better comparo, if there were such a thing. Or if there were a regular old 235 (which doesn't exist) in the lineup, one might expect to see it plopped between the 228i and the M235i...

I wouldn't think those that are waiting on an M235 (like me) would cross shop against the F30 335 (I didn't and wouldn't).

Similarly, if they made a M335, then you would see a nice uptick in price. Just an observation.
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Grand coupe 2 series .... Why tho when u have the 4 and 6 ? Maybe looks nice in person
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      01-30-2014, 10:28 PM   #77
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You're so right...

Because the 5 Series GT, X6, X4, X1, 3 Series GT, 4 Series GC and all these other unneeded cars are SO much better and worth BMW's time.
Exactly. These all need to die. So ugly and unnecessary.
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      01-30-2014, 11:13 PM   #78
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      01-30-2014, 11:30 PM   #79
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What??? I was hoping for convertible, gran coupe, GT, sedan and gran sedan (as long as a sedan but with only 2 very long doors) versions, each with plentiful M badges. Sigh.
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Does this mean there wont be a 2 series GC convertible either?
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This whole time I was thinking... the one good thing about the ridiculous proliferation of BMW models is that at least they'll come out with a 2 series gran coupe at some point, bringing back the small rear drive sport sedan that the 3 series is supposed to be.

It would be so weird for bmw to decide that they don't need a compact, high-powered sport sedan in the lineup. And no, bmw, the f30 is not compact by any standard.

We need to start a petition or something.
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I mean honestly the more I think about it, the less I care. It would almost surely weigh more than a 335i which takes away the point of getting a smaller car. And it wouldn't drive or look as good as an E46 (thanks to pedestrian safety laws for the latter). So f*ck it.
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320i exists for a reason. I think it is a way better alternative to CLA or Audi A3. But, I agree a 4 door 1/2 series in rwd form would be a really nice addition.
Some countries like Russia has displacement-based taxes. So, 320 of the e36-e46 era - used to be a reasonable choice, due to its small displacement and R6 engine.

Nowdays - 320 is just nothing. Even audi has better offering for a smaller price. There is no profit to buy 320 as 328 has same displacement and way better dynamics.

There is a huge market for a small 4 door sedan with a small turbocharged engine and reasonable price.

This news are very disapointing. I feel "little need for the bmw".
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Thank god. What a waste of time and effort that car would have been.
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BMW is famous for building the wrong cars:

Z1 (FWD) instead of Z4 M
M3 GranTourer instead of M3 Touring
X1 M instead of M7
i8 instead of M1
2 Series ActiveTourer instead of 2 Series GranCoupé
4 Series "GranTourer" instead of 4 Series GranCoupé




CLA and A3 are FWD(-based), 2er GranCoupé would be RWD. If BMW doesn't have the money to build a 4 door with trunk F2X, they'll have even less money to build a supercar from scratch. BMW doesn't have even one sportscar in their portfolio.


Yes, SCOTT, I know they are 20 years ahead of competition with i8.
Gran Tourer? You mean Gran Turismo. They arnt building a GT 4 series, they are making a Gran coupe. They cant really remake the M1 now theres a 1 series and the original M1 was completely different from that. Also, there is only rumour of an M3 GT.... Stop speaking out your arse.
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Whether he likes it of not; the CLA has played a major part in putting Mercedes in the US lead and back into the global race for the premium car leadership. This may be a way to shrug off the fact the Mercedes beat them to a new in the market.

It took them a while but they chased the CLS with 6GC and I see some sort entry level Sports Sedan version of the 1 or 2 coming eventaully.
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Given the new nomenclature, won't the 1 series become a small sedan? In that case the 2GC is not a big loss.
1-serie = Hatchback, 3-door or 5-door.
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Ah... But so are the CLA and A3, so it makes sense given the competition. Imagine they'll be an AWD option too.
But just that is the problem. The 2 Series GranCoupé F24(?) being RWD would have a unique selling point compared to Audi and Mercedes. With all of them being AWD (FWD-based), for what reason would you choose the BMW?
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