[ManCityFan]

congrats OP! what was the difference in MSRP for xDrive vs. RWD?

[warmtoes]

Originally Posted by ManCityFan

congrats OP! what was the difference in MSRP for xDrive vs. RWD?

The difference initially appears to be a lot. This is in Canada so US prices may vary and the pricing came from the BMW internal information sheet on the 2 series lineup since the official pricing isn't even in the system yet.

The difference was $3750 which seems outrageous if you look at the difference between a RWD and xDrive 3 series or 4 series. But, what I started to figure out is that the base price for the M235i RWD includes a 6speed manual and the M235i xDrive is automatic only so if you include the $1600 for sport automatic on the M235i RWD the true difference between an equivalently optioned RWD and xDrive is $2150.

Hope that made sense.

[ManCityFan]

Originally Posted by warmtoes

The difference initially appears to be a lot. This is in Canada so US prices may vary and the pricing came from the BMW internal information sheet on the 2 series lineup since the official pricing isn't even in the system yet.

The difference was $3750 which seems outrageous if you look at the difference between a RWD and xDrive 3 series or 4 series. But, what I started to figure out is that the base price for the M235i RWD includes a 6speed manual and the M235i xDrive is automatic only so if you include the $1600 for sport automatic on the M235i RWD the true difference between an equivalently optioned RWD and xDrive is $2150.

Hope that made sense.

perfect sense. thanks. wonder what the weight difference will be? i am struggling to decide among 235i RWD, 235i xDrive and audi S3. this winter has been brutal, so awd is tempting.

[BEM-S4]

Right so USD you're well under $2K. That makes sense.

[divisionbell77]

Originally Posted by warmtoes

The difference initially appears to be a lot. This is in Canada so US prices may vary and the pricing came from the BMW internal information sheet on the 2 series lineup since the official pricing isn't even in the system yet.

The difference was $3750 which seems outrageous if you look at the difference between a RWD and xDrive 3 series or 4 series. But, what I started to figure out is that the base price for the M235i RWD includes a 6speed manual and the M235i xDrive is automatic only so if you include the $1600 for sport automatic on the M235i RWD the true difference between an equivalently optioned RWD and xDrive is $2150.

Hope that made sense.

Interesting. In the US, auto and manual are the same price.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by ManCityFan

perfect sense. thanks. wonder what the weight difference will be? i am struggling to decide among 235i RWD, 235i xDrive and audi S3. this winter has been brutal, so awd is tempting.

Do some research on the difference between xDrive and S3 "quattro." The S3 does not have a true quattro system, it's based on a FWD architecture so is biased that way and sends power to rear as needed. xDrive should be much better from that perspective.

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Do some research on the difference between xDrive and S3 "quattro." The S3 does not have a true quattro system, it's based on a FWD architecture so is biased that way and sends power to rear as needed. xDrive should be much better from that perspective.

Yup audis transverse Quattro is not even related to its longitudinal models (the ones that made them famous). Not a single torsen in there which makes it just like anyone else's Awd, electric. To be fair it's not really that bad but I think it's greasy calling it Quattro. 4motion is the better word (vw Awd).

[ManCityFan]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Do some research on the difference between xDrive and S3 "quattro." The S3 does not have a true quattro system, it's based on a FWD architecture so is biased that way and sends power to rear as needed. xDrive should be much better from that perspective.

according to what i've read, the haldex AWD has been reworked and improved for the S3 (and golf R). I wouldn't be surpised if an S3 w/haldex understeers less than an S4 w/quattro.

[warmtoes]

Originally Posted by ManCityFan

according to what i've read, the haldex AWD has been reworked and improved for the S3 (and golf R). I wouldn't be surpised if an S3 w/haldex understeers less than an S4 w/quattro.

I've had an old Haldex system before and it wasn't great. I'm sure the newer ones are better but the xDrive is a performance oriented AWD.

I'm guessing the weight difference will be less than 150lbs probably closer to 110lbs but that's a guess.

[Mark's M]

Originally Posted by warmtoes

I've had an old Haldex system before and it wasn't great. I'm sure the newer ones are better but the xDrive is a performance oriented AWD.

I'm guessing the weight difference will be less than 150lbs probably closer to 110lbs but that's a guess.

80 kg according to BMW's M135 vs M135 xDrive specs. Which is 176 lbs. They need to put that system on a bit of a diet!!

[warmtoes]

Originally Posted by Mark's M

80 kg according to BMW's M135 vs M135 xDrive specs. Which is 176 lbs. They need to put that system on a bit of a diet!!

Yeah, weight watchers for sure if it's that much.

[pkimM3r]

didn't know it came in an xdrive...doesn't that defeat the "m perf" purpose of the car though?

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

didn't know it came in an xdrive...doesn't that defeat the "m perf" purpose of the car though?

Most of the fastest cars in the world are Awd...

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Killramos

Most of the fastest cars in the world are Awd...

but we are talking about X drive...wouldn't that negate the performance "sport" suspension like it does in the f30? because of space of the awd system, wouldn't you not be able to run the 10mm lower suspension?

I don't know, I'm just asking. This has nothing to do with the fastest cars being AWD. But I would argue the best "drivers" cars are RWD ...458 / GT3, (or RWD biased AWD)....

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by ManCityFan

according to what i've read, the haldex AWD has been reworked and improved for the S3 (and golf R). I wouldn't be surpised if an S3 w/haldex understeers less than an S4 w/quattro.

I'm sure the german engineers know what they're doing, but putting 300+ hp and that much torque through a system like that makes me nervous, especially when running fwd often for fuel economy. That's why I cancelled my CLA AMG order. I honestly think there's a point where they're getting too cute with all this stuff. My old S4 had true Quattro and I loved that car. But we're talking 260 hp and no front bias. Is rear wheel with snow tires better? No. That said I'd prefer 75% ideal and 100% predictable. Think the BMW system will be the best of those 3 though.

[Manboy]

Congrats OP! Great choice ordering the xDrive. I Had an M135i rwd on order until I tested an xDrive version and it was even better! Changed my order and absolutely love the grip and being able to put down all the power instantly! No change in ride hight at least for the M135i xDrive.

[warmtoes]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Congrats OP! Great choice ordering the xDrive. I Had an M135i rwd on order until I tested an xDrive version and it was even better! Changed my order and absolutely love the grip and being able to put down all the power instantly! No change in ride hight at least for the M135i xDrive.

Pavel, good to hear that the M135i xDrive didn't get raised up. I'm crossing my fingers the same is true for the M235i xDrive. I figure with the adjustable M suspension it should be the same.

[Mark's M]

Originally Posted by warmtoes

Pavel, good to hear that the M135i xDrive didn't get raised up. I'm crossing my fingers the same is true for the M235i xDrive. I figure with the adjustable M suspension it should be the same.

Yes, the same is true for the M235. More info here:

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=921776, see my comments.

It's gonna be a great car with xDrive and I can't wait for a down and dirty track test - in English that I can read - to prove it. Not quite the same track manners that a RWD would have but for day to day use in weather that's not always perfect, it'll be hard to beat. On the negative side, there's that extra weight issue discussed above. Personally, not too big a deal but I'd like to see Carlos Lagos and Randy Pobst from Motortrend's Ignition video series to do a car to car comparison at Buttonwillow and give us all the last word.

[warmtoes]

We'll good to hear. Looking forward to driving a smaller more nimble vehicle.

[alexb]

So, it really is automatic-only? Wow, that's disappointing. I am surprised people are not more upset about this. I guess that I'll have to take that stack of money I would put into xDrive and spend it on snow tires and rims. I suppose that will be fine.

Is there also an xDrive 228 coming, and is that automatic-only as well?

[warmtoes]

Originally Posted by alexb

So, it really is automatic-only? Wow, that's disappointing. I am surprised people are not more upset about this. I guess that I'll have to take that stack of money I would put into xDrive and spend it on snow tires and rims. I suppose that will be fine.

Is there also an xDrive 228 coming, and is that automatic-only as well?

In Canada there is an xDrive 228 and it is also automatic only.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

but we are talking about X drive...wouldn't that negate the performance "sport" suspension like it does in the f30? because of space of the awd system, wouldn't you not be able to run the 10mm lower suspension?

I don't know, I'm just asking. This has nothing to do with the fastest cars being AWD. But I would argue the best "drivers" cars are RWD ...458 / GT3, (or RWD biased AWD)....

This thread has aged a little but I came out here with this exact question. I am told that the M235i xDrive and the RWD model share the same suspension, which would indeed be different than the F30 xDrive treatment but the same as the 6 series xDrives (meaning that it isn't unprecedented). I am keen to find out for sure, one way or the other.